The Shake...??

Modern and vintage hand fired coal stove are similar to a wood stove and in some cases can burn either. They need to be regulated and fed by hand usually every 12 to 24 hours depending on your usage. They require no power to operate making them ideal for rural settings with long power outages.
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Crow Horse
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Post Wed. Feb. 26, 2014 5:28 pm

I've run into a problem that I know part of the answer but still need some guidance. I'm having problems shaking it down. Part of the known problem is the worn shaker handle which I'll replace another piece of pipe. The other related issue is that I can't shake it down enough to get all the ash out. It gets to a point where it chokes itself out and dies after "long" burns. I shake till burning coal pieces drop into the ash pans and about that time the shaker mechanism jams up with coal and that's as far as shaking will go.

When it dies, I'm left with some obvious unburnt coal and partially burn coal in various colors. I sift through to get the unburnt coal out but still am left with a significant amount of "other". Can I reburn this?

I'm guessing that I might be loading the stove too much as well as a very inefficient shaker mechanism. Any thoughts on this?

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Post Wed. Feb. 26, 2014 5:42 pm

Waiting for pix--but over filling is definitely NOT the problem--you might have to tend more often with that new extension to the fire box--CH, that stove is what it is & you're just gonna have to accept that till you can get that other stove up & running:)
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Post Wed. Feb. 26, 2014 7:03 pm

A few of us use a 1/4" rod with a handle on it to use as a poker to get the ash out. The 1/4" rod fits between most grates. With my Marks I poke - not stir - the coal bed from the top. That loosens the ash so it shakes down more completely. Some of us put a 90* turn on the end so they can reach up from below to get at the ash. You shouldn't have to do that everyday but it depends on how hot you are running the stove. Good luck, Lisa
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Post Wed. Feb. 26, 2014 7:16 pm

Hmmm.. the fire dying with a lot of unburnt coal left tells me that its loosing draft strength later in the burn.. It sounds like you are clearing ash sufficiently to me. Do you have a manometer installed?

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Post Wed. Feb. 26, 2014 7:22 pm

Finally, here they are........

What's left after a "burn out" (sifted)

Current burn......

Shaker on stove......

Shaker handle wallowed out.......
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Post Wed. Feb. 26, 2014 7:27 pm

I forgot to mention and I'm sure someone else has thought of this but to sift out unburnt coal, I used a cat litter scoop. The one I have is plastic and it's days are numbered so I'll pick up a steel or aluminum on. Worked great.......
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Post Wed. Feb. 26, 2014 7:55 pm

Do your grates rock up and down ( do the all of the grates move) or do they slide if so is it 1 piece that slides) yes you can reborn coal add it on top of fresh load. My penn royal in the garage has no rockers only a 14" cast square with a 10" round slider and so I have like 6" on either side of the sliding parts. Ive found that it's easier to just use my ash shovel thru the load door and take a couple of scoops ash before I do anything with reloading, My Waterford has rockers they move completely , I still get ash in corners after a few days. Try the flat rod slashing technic and the round rod poker. The prblems you are experiencing are inherent to all ( to some degree) wood/coal burning appliances , stoves that are designed to just burn coal handle the ash removal better, the Achilles heal of square or rectangle stoves is that the ash likes to stick in the corners! Hopefully you'll find an acceptable method that works for your stove! Some stoves are just shitty coal burners . I saw a crane stove for 50- on conneticut Craig's list today

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Post Wed. Feb. 26, 2014 7:56 pm

CH, are you doing short choppy shakes--1/2 a dozen or maybe 8?????????? But, that poking is probably real necessary
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Post Wed. Feb. 26, 2014 8:07 pm

No manometer as of yet......

I'm using short choppy strokes........ maybe 12, till I seel burning coal drop into the ash pan...

My grates slide completely across.....

I'll try using some flat stock with the slash technique.....
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Post Wed. Feb. 26, 2014 9:02 pm

I don't use the shaker as much as I used to when I first started burning.
I now use a 1/4" rod with a point on the end to poke and losen the ash than a short shake to finish off

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Post Wed. Feb. 26, 2014 9:07 pm

I had the same problem this season with my sf250. Poking from underneath after shaking the fire and then giving it 2 more choppy shakes is what I do now and I haven't had a fire accumulate ash and go out. I was having the problem of parts of the fire go out and other parts were burning strong. I suspect I got a sub-par load of coal this past summer when I had it delivered.

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Post Thu. Feb. 27, 2014 2:09 am

Eventually your gunna have to bite the bullet and a get a manometer ! I procrastinated for 5 yrs turns out I have pretty week draft , I got mine from amazon, 27- got it in a few days,then you'll know whether you need a baro or if the mpd can do it alone. You might need to tend and ash out at 8hr intervals, I use 1" by 1" mesh to sift out the bigger pieces

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Post Thu. Feb. 27, 2014 5:58 am

just for kicks whats the coal your burning? (I don't think that's your issue but crappie coal does not help matters at all)

Draft Draft Draft.... this is the culprit in some fashion here! You know what to do to combat this already (could be the shake, could be the chimney, could be your shake is good and draft is good but its just not routing correctly) <<<<<these are your 3 possibilities!

#1 use a poker/slicer method to ensure shake
#2 get a mano installed
#3 make sure your primary air is not going around outside of firebrick or somehow by passing the coal bed somehow
#4 if this is recent change, make sure flu is not clogged & coal is not crap.

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Post Thu. Feb. 27, 2014 6:14 am

Yep,You see where all of the above keeps taking You back to. Don't circle Your Horse. Keep moving forward in a straight line toward buying that Manometer and Reconditioning that Chubby Stove. And while yer' at it,buy a Cog Railway for getting up that Driveway of Your's.....Holy Cow,CH! toothy :doh:
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Post Thu. Feb. 27, 2014 6:03 pm

I'm using Reading chestnut. One thing that now comes to mind is that with the bags I'm using now, I didn't have the time to dump them into buckets and allow them to dry out. The coal is pretty wet. I don't know if this is a factor or not......

I'll order a mano tomorrow and see where that takes me. I still think a part of it is due to not being able to evacuate the ash enough. When I cleaned it out despite having being shaken, there was a thick layer of ash under the coal. I'm sure there are other factors as mentioned.

The Chubby is going to have to wait till warmer weather arrives. I want to go through it, check it all out and repair if needed......
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