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Modern and vintage hand fired coal stove are similar to a wood stove and in some cases can burn either. They need to be regulated and fed by hand usually every 12 to 24 hours depending on your usage. They require no power to operate making them ideal for rural settings with long power outages.
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MrsSouthy
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: Chubby Coal Stove
Other Heating: Natural gas furnace
Location: Portsmouth, Ohio

Post Wed. Jan. 08, 2014 11:51 pm

SMITTY wrote:Don't waste your money on stainless steel .. or any other liner for that matter, if you plan on burning coal. That $600 could be vaporized in a year ... or 5. It's a crapshoot. Moisture + flyash = sulfuric acid. Even stainless will give up the ghost to sulfuric. Guess how I know that one? :D

Don't let the chimney sweep sell that to you. Trust me on that one - Save your money!

The first pic is 2 stainless steel hot water coils I installed in my stove, the second is a closeup of what was under all that crud,, and the third is my stainless chimney connector pipe:

Yikes!! So what if we find out the chimney isn't lined with clay tiles?? Then what? I'm guessing paying to have it lined with tiles would cost us way more than the SS but if the SS is gonna do that then its pointless!! How can they lifetime warranty something like that?? They would have to lose money on it unless they try to worm their way out of the warranty somehow. Can we burn in our chimney without any lining or will it destroy the brick too?

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MrsSouthy
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Post Wed. Jan. 08, 2014 11:54 pm

I would seriously love nothing more than to save that money. We are operating on one income and I'm in college so heaven knows we don't need to throw money around. What should we do????

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SMITTY
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Stoker Coal Boiler: Patriot Coal - (custom built by Jim Dorsey, Taunton MA - RIP 4/18/13)
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Mark III (SOLD!)
Coal Size/Type: Rice / Blaschak anthracite
Other Heating: Oil fired Burnham boiler
Location: West-Central Mass

Post Wed. Jan. 08, 2014 11:59 pm

I've been burning in a unlined brick chimney for 8 years now. Never cleaned it either - cleaned it for the first time in April '12. The mortar is soft enough to scrape out with a fingernail - been that way since we moved in. I had to rebuild the top half when we moved in, because it collapsed, and all the bricks hurtled down the chimney and blocked the oil boiler flue. :shock:

Your fine burning in any masonry chimney. It'll out last you.

In addition to my poor chimney condition, it also has 2 jogs headed 2 different directions .... & never had a problem with CO leaking through it. Just rain water ... but that was fixed with a chimney cap. A stainless one .. because the black metal one hurled off the roof into the driveway in rusty pieces after one season.

Oh, and my oil boiler is hooked to this too. Totally not to code .. but I do what I have to do to stay warm. So long as it's safe, and it works.
The laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are
neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. ...Such laws make things worse
for the assaulted and better for the assailants, they serve rather to
encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with
greater confidence than an armed man."

- Thomas Jefferson, quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria in "On
Crimes and Punishment."

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Stoker Coal Boiler: Keystoker KA-6
Coal Size/Type: Rice/Anthracite
Other Heating: Heat Pump/Forced Hot Air Oil Furnace
Location: Harrisburg, PA

Post Thu. Jan. 09, 2014 12:19 am

Said can of worms has been opened. :shock: there really should be one place someone can go to get honest, real world information about one of the most important things that can be done for a family,..namely,....keeping it warm and safe and dry.......oh wait,...this is the place!
No matter where you go,......there you are.

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MrsSouthy
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Post Thu. Jan. 09, 2014 12:44 am

Carbon12 wrote:Said can of worms has been opened. :shock: there really should be one place someone can go to get honest, real world information about one of the most important things that can be done for a family,..namely,....keeping it warm and safe and dry.......oh wait,...this is the place!
Lol :) it's ok...i like worms of they help me get to the bottom on this and find out what we need to do! :)

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Post Thu. Jan. 09, 2014 12:46 am

So is the consensus to just use the chimney, unlined, as long as it's ok structurally?

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Hot Air Coal Stoker Furnace: Will-Burt Combustioneer 77B
Coal Size/Type: Ohio BITUMINOUS pea stoker coal
Location: Buffalo/Adirondacks, NY

Post Thu. Jan. 09, 2014 2:39 am

MrsSouthy wrote:So is the consensus to just use the chimney, unlined, as long as it's ok structurally?
Yup.

Do you have a flue from the basement? Is your forced air furnace in the basement? Being in southern ohio and having NG available (already an inexpensive fuel source) I'm going to suggest a combustioneer bituminous stoker "stove" (add-on furnace) set it next to your existing furnace and pipe it in.

With bituminous pea stoker coal used in an underfeed type furnace (the same device that heats my 100+ yr old poorly insulated house in Buffalo, NY) you'll beat NG prices with available $100/ton bituminous pea stoker coal. And in a stoker, bituminous coal burns almost completely smoke free from the chimney - similar to anthracite. The comments about bituminous coal and neighbors are related to bituminous coal use in a hand-fired stove where there will be some smoke from the stack, with a stoker this is NOT so.
Burning western Pennsylvania Bituminous in WNY using model 77 stoker furnace. BITUMINOUS equiptment: 2 hand fired stoves of my own design, Many Combustioneer Model 77 stokers, stokermatic furnace, Many Will-Burt stokers, & and Two Iron firemen.

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Hand Fed Coal Boiler: Anthracite Industrial, domestic hot water heater
Baseburners & Antiques: Glenwood range 208, # 6 base heater, 2 Modern Oak 118.
Coal Size/Type: Nuts !
Other Heating: Oil &electric plenum furnace
Location: Central NY

Post Thu. Jan. 09, 2014 7:29 am

My coal kitchen range is hooked into the same thimble of the unlined brick chimney that was built for the original coal kitchen range in 1890's of this old house. Like Smitty's, some of the old bricks weren't fired as well and you can dig into them with a finger nail.

I just have to clean out a small bucket worth of fly ash in the bottom and look up with a mirror to check it for squirrel nests at the beginning of every heat season. Draws very well.

Paul
So many stoves - so few chimneys. I must be coal-stone crazy.

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Coal Size/Type: Nuts !
Other Heating: Oil &electric plenum furnace
Location: Central NY

Post Thu. Jan. 09, 2014 7:44 am

And, if your worried about not having a liner, just don't burn wood - stick with coal.

If you have to, only burn well dried hardwood, and only enough to get the coal fire going. Plus, keep the wood fire hot so it's less likely to build up creosote in the chimney.

If you can get a lot of cheap, or free, hardwood then put the savings into a clay liner. It will help reduce creosote build-up and be easier to clean.

But don't expect that the metal liner's lifetime warrantee guarantees that it will hold up to many years of coal. As has been discussed in other threads on here, and just said, how long the metal liners last with coal is a crap shoot.

Paul
So many stoves - so few chimneys. I must be coal-stone crazy.

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Coal Size/Type: PEA / ANTHRACITE
Other Heating: Ground Source Heat Pump
Stove/Furnace Make: Hydro Heat /Mega Tek
Location: Junction of PA-OH-WV

Post Thu. Jan. 09, 2014 7:58 am

Believe in the warranty when someone tells you they were satisfied w/ a claim.
There is too much "wiggle room" for the seller to not honor the warranty. And remember, best one could ever get is only the liner...never any labor or accessories. :mad:
SLOW AND STEADY WINS THE RACE

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Stoker Coal Boiler: Patriot Coal - (custom built by Jim Dorsey, Taunton MA - RIP 4/18/13)
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Mark III (SOLD!)
Coal Size/Type: Rice / Blaschak anthracite
Other Heating: Oil fired Burnham boiler
Location: West-Central Mass

Post Thu. Jan. 09, 2014 9:38 am

Yeah - the only use for a stainless liner is if you are burning WOOD 100%, & have actual air gaps in the mortar, which would allow sparks through to burn the house down. That is the main reason liners are pushed - no chimney sweep wants the liability of missing a gap, saying your good to go, then get served with a lawsuit because someone's house got leveled by fire.

With ANY type of coal, this is a NON-ISSUE. No sparks, NO flammable creosote, and MUCH LESS HEAT.
The laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are
neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. ...Such laws make things worse
for the assaulted and better for the assailants, they serve rather to
encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with
greater confidence than an armed man."

- Thomas Jefferson, quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria in "On
Crimes and Punishment."

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Coal Size/Type: Rice/Anthracite
Other Heating: Heat Pump/Forced Hot Air Oil Furnace
Location: Harrisburg, PA

Post Thu. Jan. 09, 2014 9:41 am

Much less heat in the chimney,...that is! :D
No matter where you go,......there you are.

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Stoker Coal Boiler: Patriot Coal - (custom built by Jim Dorsey, Taunton MA - RIP 4/18/13)
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Mark III (SOLD!)
Coal Size/Type: Rice / Blaschak anthracite
Other Heating: Oil fired Burnham boiler
Location: West-Central Mass

Post Thu. Jan. 09, 2014 9:42 am

Yeah, you knew what I meant - sorry about that!! :lol:
The laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are
neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. ...Such laws make things worse
for the assaulted and better for the assailants, they serve rather to
encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with
greater confidence than an armed man."

- Thomas Jefferson, quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria in "On
Crimes and Punishment."

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Baseburners & Antiques: Home Sparkle 12
Coal Size/Type: Coal Contractor's stove, a little Kimmels 'nut
Other Heating: Very cold FHA oil furnace
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Post Thu. Jan. 09, 2014 10:07 am

I commend you MrsSouthy, your due diligence is filtering out some excellent results. I would like to add one item and I think now is a good time to bring it up. Uploading pictures will, if not already, come up and I am surprised no one has asked to see the chimney in question and the rusted damper. Our first and foremost issue is SAFETY and this means everyone. Starting out properly is important. Someone mentioned C.O. monitors because of the gas log fireplace and I have not heard a response for that. If you are standing strong on coal then a manometer will be recommended as well as flue draft controls. More homework but worth every penny and time. All the folks on this thread have one thing in mind and that is SAFELY warming yourself and family and the savings is your reward! Keep up the good fight. as HB would say :clap:
never yell through a screen...you'll strain your voice.

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Post Thu. Jan. 09, 2014 10:09 am

Ok. So it sounds like we will be skipping the liner. (Yay for saving $600!!!!) But just to make sure I'm 100% clear...its ok to burn coal even if we find out that the chimney has no clay liner? And in that case, how far do we need to run a pipe up out of the insert? I mean, I'm assuming you don't just shove the insert in and not run some pipe to direct the smoke up the chimney, like up past the smoke shelf?? but I could be wrong! This is all new to me :D

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