Well My Fireplace Will Have a New Friend

Modern and vintage hand fired coal stove are similar to a wood stove and in some cases can burn either. They need to be regulated and fed by hand usually every 12 to 24 hours depending on your usage. They require no power to operate making them ideal for rural settings with long power outages.
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DePippo79
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Baseburners & Antiques: Glenwood Oak 40, Stanley Argand No. 30, Glenwood Modern Oak 114, Stanley Argand No. 20 missing parts.
Coal Size/Type: Anthracite. Stove and nut size.
Other Heating: Oil hot water.
Location: Hampton, NH

Post Tue. Dec. 10, 2013 9:28 pm

Okay guys here you go. First major problem, missing firepot. I think I know how I'm going to make one. Suggestions. Any one have one? LOL. At least I have the grate. So far looks like a paint, mica and seal job. I think I can handle this. In alot better shape than most of the mechanical projects I work on. Fits on the hearth perfectly. Legs are loose thats why there hanging over the brick a little bit (hence the cardboard protecting my floor). Plenty of room in fireplace firebox to run stove pipe and damper. Need to see if there's any nickel hiding under paint. Will need to get in touch with William. Wife thinks there might be brass in some places.
And no I'm not rebuilding stove where it sits. Wanted to get a jump on it, but I want my mother to see it's new home before I move it to workshop. So I guess it's more tear down and figuring out my firepot. Thinking about just making a form and using refractory. Not going for museum quality just something that looks good and throws heat.

PS: Thanks for the comments about kids and the fire.
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Post Tue. Dec. 10, 2013 10:03 pm

Looks like the house was built around it. Glad your back safe and sound. The Stove hospital and a few other places around the area could help you out with a fire pot and another option maybe to measure the diameter and check with d.crane about fire bricks with a radius that fit the crane cooker #44 and put a cast iron or steel ring just above the grate suspended with 3 or 4 bolts. I think I saw a couple bolts in the area above the grate. And I am sure wsherrick will have some thoughts...nice job!
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Coal Size/Type: Nuts !
Other Heating: Oil &electric plenum furnace
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Post Tue. Dec. 10, 2013 10:09 pm

Congratulations !

That'll be a perfect setting.

And hoping to see a new picture of the kids sitting in front of and admiring the glow from that Stanley.

Paul
So many stoves - so few chimneys. I must be coal-stone crazy.

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Post Tue. Dec. 10, 2013 10:13 pm

Real nice DP--looks like it was growed there ;)
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Other Heating: Buderus Oil Boiler 3115-34
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Post Tue. Dec. 10, 2013 10:14 pm

WOW! Nice to see someone enjoy coal burning like so many of us. Don't stop.

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Post Wed. Dec. 11, 2013 5:49 am

that stove looks like it belongs exactly in your fireplace! nice choice :clap:

The liner looks like it needs to come down below the grate (in other words... the grate is held centered by the firebrick/cast liner and when shaking will rub against it).
I do not see any lip for a cast liner to hang... so im assuming their are already supports in place at the grate level that not only hold the grate up but will also double as the supports for a brick or cast liner pot??? assuming what im saying is correct.... measure the exact diameter of that round grate for kicks??? its very important to try and maintain an equal and even gap of 1/4 inch between the grate and the liner... its also very important to use the expensive refractory that is resistant to abrasion wear (they put some kind of metal or some *censored* in it)... not the cheap stuff all these companies use to make big flat square bricks that simply sit, crack and don't radiate heat for *censored*! we can certainly look at 44 firebrick BUT that would be a long shot... if making your own firebrick you want the outside and the inside to be consistent and sit right up against that outer wall so all it takes is a thin layer of furnace cement to hold em' fast! the inside wants to be smooth also to prevent premuture wear by the round shaker grate. there are some threads with tips on how to achieve this which include using plastic as a form and oiling the form before pouring (sometimes a 5 gallon buckets sides work great for this purpose by cutting them up to make 3 forms, once you have the proper "arch" you epoxy some sides to the arch... these sides are going to protrude up above the "arch" the EXACT thickness of the brick your making so you can use a shingle or better yet a firm plastic ruler to scrape off the top sides after you oil everything with 10-30 and drop the cement in (cement want to be firm enough to hold that arch form!... biggest mistake people make is to thin and the arch "settles" slightly at the highest point in the arch.)

let me try to find some photo's of Crane 44 firebrick molds to give you an idea of what these molds look like.... sec

EDIT: here you go for some idea of how to do cylindrical custom firebricks if thats the route you take Making New Firebrick for Your Old Stove

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Post Wed. Dec. 11, 2013 7:28 am

If you wash and lightly scrub the grate and it's seat, look very closely for wear patterns. That may give clues as to how it was kept in place.

Especially if there is any wear patterns at the outer edges. Then you'll know something was up against those edges to hold it centered.

Paul
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Post Wed. Dec. 11, 2013 11:42 am

The fire pot lifts straight up and you can take it right out of the loading doors easily. Take the bricks out and then lift out the fire pot. Be sweet to me and perhaps I can send off my fire pot to be copied for you. :roll:
There are supposed to be three fire bricks over the fire pot around the back of the stove and a large half round brick that makes a baffle to deflect the exhaust toward the upper front of the stove, sort of like a throat in a fire place. So there are 4 bricks total. The three bricks that go on the back of the stove are formed in a upside down semi circle to fit the deflector brick.
I don't think you are going to find replacements for those, but; don't despair. You can form a replacement very simply with the plastic refractory material. Is it called Norexam or something very close to that.
Perhaps someone can give us the correct name. It's what Emery at the Antique Stove Hospital uses.
Perhaps also I can take some pictures of the bricks in my stove and give you the measurements. It might take a few days as I am away from home 16 hours a day at present at work.

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Coal Size/Type: Anthracite. Stove and nut size.
Other Heating: Oil hot water.
Location: Hampton, NH

Post Wed. Dec. 11, 2013 9:21 pm

Thanks for the all the great advice guys. Yes, William I thought I saw bricks in your Stanley video's. I think I'm just going to make a refractory fire pot with a custom made mold. My wife believe it or not wants to attempt the firepot. She's been playing with plaster the past year so who am I to argue? I'll have to get some Norexam. I'll also have to research the topics on making molds and firepots.
Now some specific questions for William or other Stanley Argand owners..
1) The grate is supported by a circle ring supported by three legs, does the firepot rest on those three legs? Will post picture. The quick start doors complicate things.
2) Noticed fingers cut into the firepot behind the quick start doors, are these really necessary?
3) Missing a door knob. Do they reproduce these or should a stove restoration shop have spares? Also would be nice to have shaker handle at some point.
4) Missing warming plate under finneral. Are these common sizes or stove specific?
I guess thats it for now. As always thanks for your help. Great people here. Matt

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Post Wed. Dec. 11, 2013 9:48 pm

Trying to figure out firepot mounting. Matt
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Post Thu. Dec. 12, 2013 4:49 am

wsherrick wrote:The fire pot lifts straight up and you can take it right out of the loading doors easily. Take the bricks out and then lift out the fire pot. Be sweet to me and perhaps I can send off my fire pot to be copied for you. :roll:
There are supposed to be three fire bricks over the fire pot around the back of the stove and a large half round brick that makes a baffle to deflect the exhaust toward the upper front of the stove, sort of like a throat in a fire place. So there are 4 bricks total. The three bricks that go on the back of the stove are formed in a upside down semi circle to fit the deflector brick.
I don't think you are going to find replacements for those, but; don't despair. You can form a replacement very simply with the plastic refractory material. Is it called Norexam or something very close to that.
Perhaps someone can give us the correct name. It's what Emery at the Antique Stove Hospital uses.
Perhaps also I can take some pictures of the bricks in my stove and give you the measurements. It might take a few days as I am away from home 16 hours a day at present at work.
well there you have it^^^^, it looks like its a cast firepot that sits right ontop of those 3 supports (if someone has this firepot in decent shape... easy peasy, if they will just have a recast made send them the money it cost). The brick sitting over the firepot then does not need to be a super abrasion resistant brick (so that will reduce the cost of the bag by about $50 anyways (that pays for half your cast firepot maybe :clap: )... making the brick with some plastic barrel forms is easier than you think and it sounds like this brick is used as a "back stop for banking and baffle" so no critical tolerances to worry to much about.... if Will will cast a firepot for you than you can do this DP!!!

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Post Thu. Dec. 12, 2013 8:11 am

Thanks Doug. Wife says I'm over thinking it as usual. She's good at pattern making. I'll leave it up to her. Will update progress once I get the supplies I need and get firepot made. Although if William is willing to have a copy of his made that's even better. I'm in no rush. Thanks to all. Matt

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Post Sun. Dec. 22, 2013 10:00 am

It looks amazing in your fireplace, Matt! So happy that it worked out. Can't wait to see pics of when it's up and running! My best, Jessica

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Post Mon. Dec. 23, 2013 3:15 am

Thanks Jessica. Most of the parts are ready to be sandblasted. Just have to get motivated. Another forum member said he would be willing to have a copy of his firepot made for me. I'll probably make a temporary one till then. Schedule changed at work and with everything else I have going on, this is on the back burner at the moment. Will definitely give updates. Merry Christmas. Matt

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Post Sat. Aug. 02, 2014 1:01 pm

Good weekend all. So the family and I took a little roadtrip down to PA. to visit a certain forum member and somehow this cute little stove followed me home. Have to add 80 deg. out and overcast, no problems with draft. I love my old house. Although a 1890 stove in a 1890 house should play nice with each other. Matt
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