Cookin' With Coal

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Pauliewog
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Hot Air Coal Stoker Furnace: Alaska 140 Dual Paddle Feed
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Pittston Stove
Baseburners & Antiques: Fame Rosemont #20, Dickson Oak, Golden Oak, Happy Thought Oak, 1913 Herald Oak#16, (2)Comfort Stove
Coal Size/Type: Stove, Chesnut, Pea, Rice / Anthracite
Location: Pittston, Pennsylvania

Post Wed. Dec. 14, 2016 9:55 pm

OK Paul, ......I finally got to unload the trailer this week to prove the Floyd Wells & Co. Bengal cook stove does really exist. :D

Now, finding the time to work on it now that I'm retired is another story ! :D

Paulie
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Coal Size/Type: Nuts !
Other Heating: Oil &electric plenum furnace
Location: Central NY

Post Wed. Dec. 14, 2016 10:59 pm

Didn't they warn you that retirement is not for wimps ? :D

Looking forward to seeing the Bengal back in operation. ;)

Paul

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Coal Size/Type: Stove, Chesnut, Pea, Rice / Anthracite
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Post Wed. Dec. 14, 2016 11:40 pm

Sunny Boy wrote:Didn't they warn you that retirement is not for wimps ? :D

Looking forward to seeing the Bengal back in operation. ;)

Paul
I was warned, but I didn't believe it till now. Hopefully, I'll get to it this summer since my heart was set to have it done for Thanksgiving.

Paulie

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Post Thu. Dec. 15, 2016 7:19 am

Not to worry P, ya never said WHICH Thanksgiving!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;)

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Coal Size/Type: Stove, Chesnut, Pea, Rice / Anthracite
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Post Thu. Dec. 15, 2016 10:49 am

freetown fred wrote:Not to worry P, ya never said WHICH Thanksgiving!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;)
Very good point my friend !! Guess I better shoot for Thanksgiving 2017 cuz I don't know how many more I got left !! :out:

Paulie

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Post Thu. Dec. 15, 2016 12:39 pm

In that case, make it 2020. The Creator has one hell of a sense of humor!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;)

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Coal Size/Type: Stove, Chesnut, Pea, Rice / Anthracite
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Post Thu. Dec. 15, 2016 2:54 pm

freetown fred wrote:In that case, make it 2020. The Creator has one hell of a sense of humor!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;)
Ya got yourself a deal Fred....... Thanksgiving 2020 deadline. Now I stand a pretty good chance of finishing her on schedule !! :rofl: :clap: toothy

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Coal Size/Type: Nuts !
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Location: Central NY

Post Fri. Dec. 16, 2016 10:58 am

Cooking breakfast with it 12 below zero outside, and a balmy 75F in the kitchen. :)

With such biter cold causing a very strong draft, I thought it would be a good time to experiment with letting more heat out of the range and see what that does to stack temps. Many of you with ranges know that propping the oven door open helps get more heat out of the range. But, ranges that also have a water reservoir are kinda rare.

For those without the adjustable oven door shelf like Kevin's Glenwood Model E has, that slides to hold the door open at any angle you choose, here's a picture below of the antique way to hold it. A small sad iron makes a very nice weight for that. With the door open part way to let out some of that heat before it gets to the chimney, that lowered the stack skin temp about 10F.

After that test, I closed the oven door and let it all come back up to temp. Then I tried leaving just the water reservoir tank lid open . Using the IR gun, when I first opened it, the inside surfaces of the tank were 380F (I don't use it for water heating). Just leaving the lid open lowered the stack skin temp 15 F.

Then I tried propping the oven door open again while the water tank lid was still open. That only dropped the pipe temp an additional 6 F.

So it looks like leaving the water tank open is better at heat extraction than the oven. The water tank is all copper and large enough to hold 4.5 gallons of water. All that copper is surrounded on all four sides and the bottom by hot flue gases. It is a really good, fast way to transfer heat out of those gases. So it would seem, even better than the much larger oven.

While all this was going on, I had my helper checking temps under the oven, too. Going by the relaxed position, the cat thought it was good.

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Coal Size/Type: Stove, Chesnut, Pea, Rice / Anthracite
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Post Fri. Dec. 16, 2016 5:28 pm

Paul, With the water tank lid open, we're you still able to hold your temperature in the oven?

Paulie

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Post Fri. Dec. 16, 2016 7:45 pm

Paulie,

Yes, within a few degrees, if the oven door is closed.

The oven keeps the heat because the entire left side of the oven forms the wall that separates it from the firebox and the ash pan drawer. Plus, the hot flue gases from the firebox must pass over the top of the oven and partway down the right side before only some of it is diverted into the water tank reservoir area. As the still flue hot gas leaves the reservoir it then goes up and over the right rear corner of the oven to the stove collar.

With the reservoir damper doors open, about 1/3 of the flue gas can still bypass the damper doors and keep on through the flus under of the oven to continue to heat it.

However, with the water tank lid open, it had less affect on the stack temp as the day warmed up and the strength of the draft diminished.

Paul

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Location: Central NY

Post Wed. Dec. 21, 2016 3:17 pm

Melissa found a good sale on steak and we wanted to do some grilling. But being in the single digits, it was too cold over the weekend to use the gas grill.

So, we got to do some more experimenting with grilling on the range. Some of you may remember back in this thread that by removing one of the round covers of the firebox, placing a grill over that opening and then a frying pan over that, all the grease drips into the fire and the smoke gets drawn up the chimney. Using a frying pan to cover the food, not only reduces chances of cooking smoke in the house, it helps reduce large amounts of cooler room air bring pulled in around the food and stalling the draft.

However, the first few times I tried it, the coal level was up to the top of the firebox which made it too close to the food. Even with turning the food over often, it still burned long before it could cook inside.

So this time, I let the coal all burn to embers and then pushed about half the depth of embers to the back end of the firebox to lower the level at the front end.

Then I took some ashes and sprinkled them over the remaining embers just at the front half of the firebox. That was to help shield and lower the heat so the food wouldn't cook too quickly. It also helped slow the air passage through the thinner layer of coals so that they wouldn't burn faster and therefore hotter. It worked very well for lowering and steading the heat so that we could do both quick-cooked steak and longer cooking hamburgers.

Enjoy.

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Post Wed. Dec. 21, 2016 3:28 pm

WOW! That looks mouthwatering Paul! Wish I could do that on my KA-6. :D

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Post Thu. Dec. 22, 2016 2:04 pm

johnjoseph wrote:WOW! That looks mouthwatering Paul! Wish I could do that on my KA-6. :D
Ummm,..... do ya have a drill and a Sawzall with a metal cutting blade ? :D

Paul

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Post Thu. Dec. 22, 2016 4:47 pm

Sunny Boy wrote:
johnjoseph wrote:WOW! That looks mouthwatering Paul! Wish I could do that on my KA-6. :D
Ummm,..... do ya have a drill and a Sawzall with a metal cutting blade ? :D

Paul
:rofl: :doh:

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Post Fri. Dec. 23, 2016 10:04 am

Lookin' mighty tasty! The cook stove would be great for sous vide because you can slide right to get the perfect temperature. I been doing a lot of venison ribs. They need 140 degrees for 24 hr to be fall off the bone tender.

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