Newbie Looking to Install Coal Stove in Basement.

Modern and vintage hand fired coal stove are similar to a wood stove and in some cases can burn either. They need to be regulated and fed by hand usually every 12 to 24 hours depending on your usage. They require no power to operate making them ideal for rural settings with long power outages.
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Post Fri. Jul. 05, 2013 3:34 pm

coalnewbie wrote:
Hey coalnewbie....yeah I'm not hiding anything, yes I'm on Orrs Mills Rd, little ways up from Cornwall coal. Still not sure what I'm doing yet, it's a hard thing to jump to a boiler system $$$$. I still have enough wood to burn through this coming winter, but don't see myself messing with this wood much longer
I want you to know that I have not gone the hydronic route (expensive) and I have a big house and I am very happy indeed. Another neighbor heats his 2000 sq ft house with one 100 year old stove and is also content. There are many ways of leaping into this coal heat. As budgets appear to be an issue you might consider one of the alternatives. For a few hundred dollars you can get a very powerful anthracite burner which would sit in place of your wood burner. You may not need to do more.

Opinions are like rectums, everybody has one.
Hi coalnewbie....yes, I currently have a wood burning insert on my mainfloor and am happy with the heat it provides. Just gets old cutting/splitting wood,etc. No it does not push the heat back to my bed room which is also on the same floor so I burn alittle oil heat at night to heat the bed room(it's only me and the wife that live in the house). I fill my 330 gallon oil tank 1.3 times a year, not a biggy.

I was thinking maybe put somethign in basement, let heat rise and less mess on main floor. If based on research I will not be happy I will go with a coal insert as I'm certain I will be just as happy with the heat the coal provides but without all the work that goes in with supplying the wood. I actually like to tend to the wood fire and my wood insert can go 10 to 12 hours without being tended to.

I also wanted a basement stove so can keep the wood stove as it's nice to look at the fire and would turn on having people over.

Do you buy your coal from Cornwall Supply?

The research continues....

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Post Fri. Jul. 05, 2013 3:48 pm

Yes, I have bought from Steve from time to time. You might want to come over and look at my and other peoples setups. The coffee is very good and is free. The advice is free but there you may get what you pay for. I started with a Quadrafire seven years ago and progressed to coal. I am not a fan of inserts. You do not need to completely dump HO. I kept my 6 zone hydronic HO in place jut in case but last winter it never needed to switch it on once (not even close). You are going to be stunned at the BTU difference, anthracite stoves can really kick a$$. Research the term cold air return, you might be surprised at what you can achieve.
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Post Fri. Jul. 05, 2013 4:04 pm

coalnewbie wrote:Yes, I have bought from Steve from time to time. You might want to come over and look at my and other peoples setups. The coffee is very good and is free. The advice is free but there you may get what you pay for. I started with a Quadrafire seven years ago and progressed to coal. You do not need to completely dump HO. I kept my 6 zone hydronic HO in place jut in case but last winter it never needed to switch it on once (not even close). You are going to be stunned at the BTU difference, anthracite stoves can really kick a$$. Research the term cold air return, you might be surprised at what you can achieve.
Sounds great, I would like to come over and see your setup this winter when you're coal setup is producing heat. I'm certain this will be my last winter of burning wood and looking to make the switch next year at this time. I like to buy during off season, hopefully that will help. So far I like what I see with the Hitzer inserts.

Thanks,
Mark

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Post Fri. Jul. 05, 2013 4:07 pm

Call me early December, the weather is usually pretty c rappy by then. Hold off on the insert buy. I will probably host a coal "Outlier and Outcast" party of coal burners. Outcasts they may be, but they DO know anthracite backwards. Firearms must be left at the door. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA, I slay myself.
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Post Fri. Jul. 05, 2013 4:18 pm

coalnewbie wrote:Call me early December, the weather is usually pretty c rappy by then. Hold off on the insert buy. I will probably host a coal "Outlier and Outcast" party of coal burners. Outcasts they may be, but they DO know anthracite backwards. Firearms must be left at the door. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA, I slay myself.
Sounds great, looking forward to it.

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Post Fri. Jul. 05, 2013 4:26 pm

If you want to start out as simple as possible, just put a hand-fed coal stove in the basement and use that second chimney thimble. Code prohibits the use of a solid fuel appliance on the same flue as an oil or gas unit, but that is to save wood-burners from burning down their house with chimney fires. Anthracite does not create creosote, but the code doesn't allow an exception.

I've done the same thing, and assuming the chimney has proper draft it will perform very well. Here is a picture of my big Hitzer sharing an 8x12" flue with a 150,000 btu/hr oil boiler.

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Post Fri. Jul. 05, 2013 4:42 pm

Rob,

Clicked on your photo and went to your photobucket collection. Thx for sharing, very entertaining it made my afternoon.
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Post Fri. Jul. 05, 2013 5:35 pm

Thanks Rob R.

How is your house layed out, any openings in floor? Does the stove do a good job heating the upstairs?

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Post Fri. Jul. 05, 2013 8:56 pm

orrsmills wrote:Thanks Rob R.

How is your house layed out, any openings in floor? Does the stove do a good job heating the upstairs?
The short story is...no, the stove did not do a good job of heating the upstairs. It did a FINE job of keeping the basement warm, the floors warm, and the kitchen/living room that was close to the basement door warm. The two bedrooms on the first floor were connected to the main living area via a hallway, and those were pretty chilly. The second story was the same way. With that said, you might not have the same experience. That house had a 30'x60' basement, and two stories above it. The stairs shown in the picture were almost dead center in the house, with the stove right next to them. The basement had 8' poured concrete walls with zero insulation, so the heat loss of the basement was significant. The basement had a partition that separated it in two, so I only heated half of it. There were no vents or grates in the floors, so the only place for the heat to go was up through the basement stairwell.

My dad used the same stove in his house, but with two basement stairwells at opposite ends of the house. The first floor heated much more evenly, but the second story was still very cold.

If you intent to heat the house with a basement stove, the house better have an open floorplan and a way for the cold air to return to the basement.

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Post Fri. Jul. 05, 2013 9:07 pm

HaHaHa... That looks like one of those rare Matag Neptune Boilers you have their Rob :lol:

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Post Fri. Jul. 05, 2013 9:54 pm

I think you'll be very disappointed in using coal stove in basement to heat your house. Most likely to kick yourself in the butt for spending $$$ when you could've put it into boiler. I've tried to heat my first home with a Harman lll in the basement. Basement was unbearable, first floor somewhat warm and second floor cold. Had to use electric heat for second floor, savings on using coal was minimal.
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Post Sat. Jul. 06, 2013 2:05 am

I think you'll be very disappointed in using coal stove in basement to heat your house.
Hmmm, an interesting opinion considering that you have never even seen his house. I do the basement thing and am very happy with the result. No two installs are the same and this guy seems to have an unusual layout and is very budget driven.

orrs, continue your research you are doing just fine. 23' ceiling :o so is this an A frame design? I love learning about other peoples houses. There are some interesting homes along that road as I remember. If I have a next house it will have a massive great room with a tall ceiling and an exotic antique coal stove right in the middle. I would not give a plugged nickle for a coal hydronic system in my application. There goes that rectum speaking again.
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Coal Size/Type: Rice,
Other Heating: Heating Oil CH, Toyotomi OM 22
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Post Sat. Jul. 06, 2013 2:06 am

ditto, need my first coffee.
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Post Sat. Jul. 06, 2013 6:47 am

coalnewbie wrote:ditto, need my first coffee.
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Coal Size/Type: Rice,
Other Heating: Heating Oil CH, Toyotomi OM 22
Location: Chester, NY

Post Sat. Jul. 06, 2013 7:27 am

Who said that? What was that sound?
.. and to think my wife thinks I am insensitive - go figure. AHHAHAHAAHAHA, I slay myself.
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