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Modern and vintage hand fired coal stove are similar to a wood stove and in some cases can burn either. They need to be regulated and fed by hand usually every 12 to 24 hours depending on your usage. They require no power to operate making them ideal for rural settings with long power outages.
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coalnewbie
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Post Sat. May. 11, 2013 11:54 am

I know I have a problem with collecting these stoves. My shrink thinks it's hoarders syndrome and there are no drugs or cures. She said when you think you want another coal stove sit down and breathe deeply until the feeling goes away. OK, enough of this silly medical c rap, let's get back to business. I think I have found an interesting specimen it's a Geneva Oak.

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Problems, the body looks perfect and the nickel kinda OK but two of the prismatic grates the rear tabs have snapped off, the magazine is missing, the mica is non existent (that I know is easy), no ash pan (easy again), so decisions, decisions. Oh BTW, it's very cheap, it's a local connection through a friend who has no clue what he has. The double heater pipe is there but is this a base burner or not and is it as efficient as the best stoves out there? I can't see any recirculating air passages below or in the fire chamber before the breach at the rear. There is no refractory cement but no redenning of the fire pot iron even. I think a Xmas wood burner at best and not used much. No pics yet as I don't wish to seem to be too keen. The bulge on the back looks like some sort of heat recovery system and no it's not a separate pipe. If I am to take the plunge I need to find the missing parts immediately and fix it now or it will join the other c rap in the basement (I know me). So is it meditation time or add to the collection. If a can buy a magazine, grates, mica and fix it now then OK. Opinions would be welcome.
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Post Sat. May. 11, 2013 1:41 pm

First of all you need it to gratify your obsession and we all know what can happen when obsessions are frustrated too long. It must be a month now since your last stove so time for a new fix.

Cheap is good but consider that it is important to have a lot of knobs and buttons and levers to push and pull for maximum effect. This one is kind of short in that department. Whether the stove is efficient or not is not important since you can always rationalize.

When you refer to the grate tab I don't know if that means the pivot or a finger. Either one could probably be repaired. The round fire pot has to be lined for greatest efficiency at other than good hot burn. Most antique stoves are not airtight so figure on fiddling with the ash door and maybe the air control.

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Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: LL AnthraKing 180K, Pocono110K,KStokr 90K, DVC
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Coal Size/Type: Rice,
Other Heating: Heating Oil CH, Toyotomi OM 22
Location: Chester, NY

Post Sat. May. 11, 2013 2:08 pm

Franco, your analysis was depressingly clinical for a fellow coal burner. The knobs and buttons barb made me feel totally inadequate like a man child that never grew up. You had to throw in the fact that it was only a month ago since my last purchase. That is hitting below the belt. So that settles it, Woodstovesplus has the grates, the magazine I can live without or somehow bum a model the send to Tomahawk Foundry in Rice WI. I need new mica windows (only 4 this time) ---- Eugene -- help!!!! I'm going back for an ultra low bid, porch ornaments are not so valuable. Pics coming if I succeed. I need to up the Prozac a bit - yes? What a fascinating stove, big sucka, I'm in love (again). Geez, this is hopeless. All for the cost of around 35 gall of HO - guys what is there to think about? You know Onutso is going to start a war and close Hormuz..... Hey, put a BOB LED Chauvet in it and imagine.
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Post Sun. May. 12, 2013 3:57 am

Geneva Oaks are high end oak stoves. Here is some pricing and pictures from the Phillips & Clark Catalog.
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Price list for options for the Geneva Oak.
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Picture of Geneva Oak
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Picture showing rear with double heater option.

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Post Sun. May. 12, 2013 6:28 am

Thinking of changing my name to "Mica". Or even "Eye-Zan". Now you know you need to find these things in pairs.... :shock:

It's the step 12 that clearly says......"help another stoveaholic schlep at least a double order of stoves out of a barn". :roll:
"Do it Right the First Time" dont leave it for the next guy, as YOU may be the Next guy!!

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Coal Size/Type: Rice,
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Post Mon. May. 13, 2013 6:12 pm

William, it is a double heater but does that mean base burner/heater - does it circulate like the favorite stoves. I forgot to measure the fire pot but it looked to be a big sucker. Will the the prismatic grate parts at woodstove parts plus be an easy repair? How can I find a magazine? I'm wavering, the pills are not helping. If I sit down and meditate until Friday it could be 80F and common sense could return. The nightmares, what if Eugene deserts me as I've become dependent? Palms sweating!!!!
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Post Mon. May. 13, 2013 9:00 pm

RELAX!!! relax.....relax.....exlax....breathe..... say OOOOOHHHHHHHMMMMMMmmmmmmmmmm

ok now its always cold somewhere....

remember that rehabs are for quitters... so take a example from Lindsay Lohan.....

one more isnt a bad thing.....
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Post Mon. May. 13, 2013 9:59 pm

I see a new business cropping up in Chester - Stove restoration. I'm wondering if we can do it green? Solar powered sand blasters??? Nah - you need a steam generator - How about an old locomotive engine? That would make a good steam plant... Hey they were selling them real cheap down south from the last functioning steam locomotive manufacturer... You could have steam powered electric generation all run on coal... Run the whole business... Uh oh... am I feeding the beast??? Best to listen to Poconoeagle... :)

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Post Tue. May. 14, 2013 12:42 am

step1. there is never enough time to buy enough stoves,but always enough time to sell.....
step2. 1 is to many but 100 is never enough...
step3. the only requirement for membership is a desire to stay warm..
step 4. flat headed slotted machine screws and square nuts are SO superior than any modern torx or allen..
step 5. wood is for sissys
step6. Mica is for dual addicted word freaks, some are Italian guys named mike, others are glass users...
step 7. strength in unity, hand fired guys win arm wrestling contests thus attract coal women..
step8. make a list of all unfinished stove projects we have started, and buy more to increase the list...
step 9. finish said such project, one at a time over the course of 9 lifetimes
step10. continue to pa rouse the classifieds and defend our "hobby" with snippy answers and the threat of no heat...
step 11. seek for bigger and better stoves for houses we have yet bought to store the stoves that are on the "waiting for parts" list we made in step eight.
step12. Always have a helping hand ready to help another stove-a-holic by pushing toward another needed purchase...

8-)
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Post Tue. May. 14, 2013 1:40 am

coalnewbie wrote:William, it is a double heater but does that mean base burner/heater - does it circulate like the favorite stoves. I forgot to measure the fire pot but it looked to be a big sucker. Will the the prismatic grate parts at woodstove parts plus be an easy repair? How can I find a magazine? I'm wavering, the pills are not helping. If I sit down and meditate until Friday it could be 80F and common sense could return. The nightmares, what if Eugene deserts me as I've become dependent? Palms sweating!!!!
Any "Oak," stove by definition is one that is direct draft. Many of the best ones have an indirect back pipe to extend the circulation of the exhaust gasses, sort of like a base heater, but; the stove is still classified as direct draft.
The double heater option is referring the stove having a warming manifold on the back or sides of the stove. This takes cold air off of the floor heats it up and then sends it out of the top rear of the stove. This greatly increases the heating capacity of the stove as it makes the stove both radiant and convective at the same time. You could/can also duct this heated air directly upstairs if you wanted to. Many base burners have this option as well.

Find out what the number of the stove is and look on the catalog page that I put up here and it will tell you what size the fire pot is.

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Coal Size/Type: Rice,
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Post Tue. May. 14, 2013 2:31 am

William, thank you for your time as usual. Poconoeagle, I have printed off your list as a sign, framed it, hung it up and now when I take time out for a natural break I can not only sit but sit, think and dream. It also serves to focus family thinking on this matter. Upping the family cheese intake causes constipation and increases spouses learning time and should in theory increase compliance (this idea has so far met with limited success). The title is named Pocos Rules. A local wood craftsman is making a fancy wood version for me that will be offered on this board and Ebay. Somehow I expect more sales here.
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Post Tue. May. 14, 2013 4:45 am

:lol: ....as long as he uses hand drawn iron nails..... 8-)
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Post Tue. May. 14, 2013 7:55 am

Not to go off subject here but I cant help but smile & laugh at some of the humor, Its nice when I totally "get" somebody's humor (like Pocono :lol: )
Let it be known that I have yet to find the person who can beat me at arm wrestling :P (new event @ meet N greet!) hahaha

Does anyone else find reading the Mayors old posts like in the link above as entertaining as me :lol:

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