Reccomendatrions for a Used Small Hand Fired Stove

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Post Tue. Mar. 05, 2013 9:42 am

Here is a Harman at the right price not far from you if it is still there.

Do not ask in your Email if it it still available as scammers use that a lot.

Just say you want to come and buy it.

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Post Tue. Mar. 05, 2013 9:56 am

franco b wrote:Here is a Harman at the right price not far from you if it is still there.

Do not ask in your Email if it it still available as scammers use that a lot.

Just say you want to come and buy it.

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Done e-mail sent in NE craigslist covers such small areas there needs to be a search radius entry of some sort. Harman I assume still in business if it needs more than a door gasket. Told them I would like to buy it and asked about flue pipe size. Mine is 6 inch and can not afford a new chimney though made no mention of that to them.

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Post Tue. Mar. 05, 2013 10:24 am

ddahlgren wrote:Done e-mail sent in NE craigslist covers such small areas there needs to be a search radius entry of some sort.
You can use this.

http://www.searchtempest.com/

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Post Tue. Mar. 05, 2013 10:56 am

franco b wrote:
ddahlgren wrote:Done e-mail sent in NE craigslist covers such small areas there needs to be a search radius entry of some sort.
You can use this.

http://www.searchtempest.com/
Thanks! I assume you think the Harman Stove is a fairly good stove.
Do you know what type of coal the Harman burns and any guess about how many tons of coal I might need for a 1000 sq ft 1870s house?
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Post Tue. Mar. 05, 2013 1:48 pm

The Harman is very well built and strong. It uses a master link which in turn moves the grates which is a good system but because of the room it takes up some ash will fall outside of the ash pan but within the ash pit. From time to time you will have to shovel out this ash.

You can use pea or nut coal with the preference being for nut in the cold weather.

The way that the baffle is placed can make it difficult to vacuum out fly ash if access to the rear exit is not easy.

It is a batch loading stove like most antiques, which means that you load a relatively large load of fresh coal after shaking. This can lead to generating a large amount of flammable gas with subsequent danger of puff back. Loading in several smaller layers prevents this and in time you will learn the best combinations of air supply and damper position. Batch loading stoves do require more judgement and a bit more tending time than those with thermostat and hopper. A hopper feeds pre heated coal and a thermostat will adjust the air supply to maintain a set temperature level on the stove. It will also compensate for changes in draft.

I can't see you burning more that 3 tons of coal and probably a lot less, more like 2 tons, depending on how tight and how insulated the house is. I assume the stove will go in the living area rather than a basement.

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Post Tue. Mar. 05, 2013 2:04 pm

Yes stove is in the living area on first floor. I will heat first floor well and if bedrooms on second floor is in the 60's that is just fine. I am looking for a 8 hour or more burn so I can get a good nights sleep. The woodstove I have now was advertised with a 10 hour burn and do not have the slightest idea how they got that done. Possibly the time between lighting kindling to the last coal going cold. But a stove temp of about 400 or a bit more is what it takes to keep the house wam. That is not going to happen with the woodstove I have right now. It goes from kindling to 550 to600 for maybe an hour to 1 1/2 then works its way down to 400 for an hour then ends up at 200 at hour 4 or 5 and just not enough. If it was 300 all the time I suspect the house would be quite warm.
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Post Tue. Mar. 05, 2013 4:39 pm

You can expect 12 hour tending times with even longer times in the warmer weather. Heat output will be very steady for most of that time. 300 degrees would be low output.

I hope you get the Harman, but the ad is from Jan. 20 so might have been sold.

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Post Wed. Mar. 06, 2013 11:22 am

No reply on the Harman at all must have sold or they were moving who knows and no phone number either to call.
Found this a Gibraltar of unknown model other than 34 tall 23 wide and 22 deep.
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Does it look like everything is there? I realize it needs firebrick and a door gasket at least but is top mounted 6 inch flue. Being made of steel rather than cast iron it should be easy to test for warpage and cracks that will no dount be near the weld joints.

Any ideas if worth looking at?

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Post Wed. Mar. 06, 2013 3:57 pm

Gibralter is very heavy and well built. Good stove. All the newer stoves are steel with cast iron doors.

There is a heavy plate that goes across the front to keep coal from spilling out the door. I don't see it.

Put gibralter in the search box on this page and you will get a lot of posts.

Here is the Manual which lets you identify the model.

Try for 200 to 300 because it needs assembly and work.
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Post Wed. Mar. 06, 2013 4:47 pm

Lokoing at the grate parts shown and the ones in the manual there sure seems to be a lot missing maybe not a player.. No doubt they are where ever the banking bar mentioned is no doubt burned out.. sigh..
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Post Wed. Mar. 06, 2013 6:11 pm

ddahlgren wrote:Lokoing at the grate parts shown and the ones in the manual there sure seems to be a lot missing maybe not a player.. No doubt they are where ever the banking bar mentioned is no doubt burned out.. sigh..
Dave
Some of those parts may remain in the stove so you can't see them.

That stove is also as heavy as the rock of Gibraltar. 485 pounds.

Also a bit large for your house. The Harman would have been a better match. I don't like those big spread out fire pots although they are good for wood.

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Post Thu. Mar. 07, 2013 8:57 am

Going by the pics vs the manual about half of the grate system is missing along with the front banking bar and brick retainers. It would take a very long time to find all the parts. I have been checking CL in the tri state NE area and nothing new to be found and the ones with possibility have no phone number and do not return e-mail. Ilike the idea of a used Harman as they are still in business but all the ones I have seen for sale have a rear outletand that adds 10 inches to the install depth that I can not spare.

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Post Sat. Mar. 09, 2013 5:19 pm

Good things come to those who wait. You have plenty of time till next heating season. I've spent all winter looking for a replacement for my Godin. It was a little too small when the temp got into the teens. A baker stove appeared in the local shopper paper. Worth a look. For $300 I got a Baker Contender II top vent that the gentleman tried to burn wood in maybe once. This guy bought the stove at auction when the local hardware went out of business 10 years ago.The firebrick was still white. You can't run the pipe out thru a block wall and expect the stove to draft properly. Be patient, you'll get a good deal on a good stove. Many thanks to all the good folks on this forum who helped me when I bought my first coal stove. The knowledge is here, ask and you will get good info from the experienced coal burning brotherhood.

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Post Tue. Mar. 12, 2013 7:18 pm

I bought this used for about 300 bucks. Multi-Fuel. 38,000 BTU/Hr with anthracite.
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Post Tue. Mar. 12, 2013 11:07 pm

Chiefcamper wrote:I bought this used for about 300 bucks. Multi-Fuel. 38,000 BTU/Hr with anthracite.
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