FANS!! Grr...

Modern and vintage hand fired coal stove are similar to a wood stove and in some cases can burn either. They need to be regulated and fed by hand usually every 12 to 24 hours depending on your usage. They require no power to operate making them ideal for rural settings with long power outages.
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Post Mon. Jan. 21, 2013 10:29 pm

What is it with blower fans? I can't keep them alive. I've been through two stock Harman fans because they would develop a high pitched whine so last year I stepped up to a ball bearing, permanently lubed fan from Grainger and now it is making a high pitched "dry" whine like a bearing is going.

I even started using furnace filters over the inlet to keep as much dust out of the squirrel cage area as possible.

I'm getting a little PO'd here....any suggestions?
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Post Mon. Jan. 21, 2013 10:48 pm

I run a Grainger combustion ball bearing fan going on 2 years now with no problems. After year one I pulled it apart trying to grease the sealed bearings with a grease needle and found out I was wasting my time :oops: I now let it just run it and oilthe other motors on my Keyskoker that have oiling ports.

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Post Tue. Jan. 22, 2013 5:49 am

and you thought their weren't going to be any drawbacks to a stoker vs handfed :lol:

1 year does sound a little odd, ship that thing back for refund, I found this thread which seems to give alot of good info and advice that will help you alot more then im able :cry:
Ill keep my fingers crossed that you find some solutions ;)

COMBUSTION Blower Replacement Results for Channing III?

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Post Tue. Jan. 22, 2013 6:24 am

Yep, get hold of grainger Jeff--I hope you're a receipt saver---in the mean time, pull out the old box fan, she's chilly out there.
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Post Tue. Jan. 22, 2013 9:06 am

Grainger should Definitely let you return the motor...

I bought a new Keystoker furnace this fall
. the Dayton convection blower failed day 1
the replacement motor they sent me never got installed because you could not turn the shaft by hand
. the third 1 failed after 2 weeks.
the common denominator here seem to be a bad batch of motors
. the fourth 1 ( problem free knock on wood) has been running fine
this didn't cost me a nickel. . as it was all under warranty
however it was extremely frustrating!... I feel your pain
... I couldn't help but notice tho... that all of these Dayton motors are now made in China!
...pretty sad.
....'Rigar

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Post Tue. Jan. 22, 2013 3:21 pm

freetown fred wrote:Yep, get hold of grainger Jeff--I hope you're a receipt saver---in the mean time, pull out the old box fan, she's chilly out there.
I'm sure I saved the receipt...WHERE...I have NO idea! :D
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Post Tue. Jan. 22, 2013 7:38 pm

If you have an account they may be able to pull in it up with the puter

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Post Wed. Jan. 23, 2013 6:27 pm

Are you finding a lot of junk in the fans curved vanes? I'm still using the original combustion blower on my Harman boiler. It's 10 years old. Many of the Harman magnums I have bought and refurbed over the years have had original blowers over 10 years old too.
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Post Wed. Jan. 23, 2013 6:39 pm

Keystoker 90K, 10 years old, sames fans. Bought brand new.
Leisure Line Hyfire I, circa 1995, same fans. Bought used 5 years ago.

I remove, clean and oil them every spring when I shut down.

So far, so good. Knock on wood. :)
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Post Wed. Jan. 23, 2013 6:49 pm

Come on Jeff, don't keep us on the edge of our chairs here-- ;)
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Post Wed. Jan. 23, 2013 9:22 pm

coalkirk wrote:Are you finding a lot of junk in the fans curved vanes? I'm still using the original combustion blower on my Harman boiler. It's 10 years old. Many of the Harman magnums I have bought and refurbed over the years have had original blowers over 10 years old too.
I used to, that's why I started using furnace filter material on the intake.

It seems to have "fixed itself" for the time being but you know how that goes. It'll probably fail completely on the coldest day of the year.
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Post Wed. Jan. 23, 2013 9:25 pm

What are you using to lube the bearings? I use Amsoil 20W-50 motorcycle oil ... because that's what I had laying around. :D So far so good on year 4.
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Post Wed. Jan. 23, 2013 9:39 pm

SMITTY wrote:What are you using to lube the bearings? I use Amsoil 20W-50 motorcycle oil ... because that's what I had laying around. :D So far so good on year 4.
who needs those pesky bearings... I got my shovel :dancing:

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Post Wed. Jan. 23, 2013 9:44 pm

For what? The pieces of your seized fan? :P :lol:
The laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are
neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. ...Such laws make things worse
for the assaulted and better for the assailants, they serve rather to
encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with
greater confidence than an armed man."

- Thomas Jefferson, quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria in "On
Crimes and Punishment."

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Post Wed. Jan. 23, 2013 10:30 pm

SMITTY wrote:What are you using to lube the bearings? I use Amsoil 20W-50 motorcycle oil ... because that's what I had laying around. :D So far so good on year 4.
Supposed to be permanently lubed bearings. No provision to lube.
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