First Days With New DS1600 Stove!

Modern and vintage hand fired coal stove are similar to a wood stove and in some cases can burn either. They need to be regulated and fed by hand usually every 12 to 24 hours depending on your usage. They require no power to operate making them ideal for rural settings with long power outages.
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Post Wed. Dec. 12, 2012 9:00 pm

I see the gist of not letting coal go below hopper. It started getting colder here, so I have upped my control dial to 3 1/2 with a max number being 5 and a stove temp of 400, dampner 90% closed, full of red coals and lots of dancing blues. I no the manual says not to over fire past 600deg. , If I was to need the heat, is it safe to run continuos at 600deg. ? That is with guage sitting on top of stove, I guess thats the best way to get stove temp?

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Post Wed. Dec. 12, 2012 11:16 pm

What is the stack temp...
you may be sending a bunch up the pipe...
I have gone to 700* for a day or two...
no issues...
the sweet spot is 350-400...
if you are always in the 5-600 you might need a bigger stove...
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Post Thu. Dec. 13, 2012 8:49 am

CapeCoaler wrote:the sweet spot is 350-400...
Yes, that also seems to be true with my DS1300.
When they say "Don't fire at over 600 degrees" its kind of silly, because they don't say WHERE on the stove to measure the temperature. The hottest I have run so far is about 475 measured on the top surface behind the hopper cover. But I anticipate higher temps when the weather gets really cold.
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Post Thu. Dec. 13, 2012 8:59 am

The first season I had my 1600 I had the stove at 725° for a few days during a real cold snap. Of course that's using a magnetic thermometer so it was probably just above 600°.

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Post Thu. Dec. 13, 2012 9:07 am

rberq wrote: Also it's a good idea not let the hopper get completely empty, and not shake down too much at one time. Otherwise when you fill the hopper (or shake down a lot) you can end up with a layer of cold new coal on top of your fire. Boom potential. I'd recommend shaking twice a day instead of once, even if it's only a "partial" shake, and top off the hopper then if there's any danger of it emptying.
Every time I read about the suggested shake down process on here I think of Gunnery Sgt. Tom Highway, who says that if ya shake it more than once ladies, that constitutes pleasure and we're not in that business!!! :lol:

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Post Thu. Dec. 13, 2012 9:28 am

CapeCoaler wrote:What is the stack temp...
you may be sending a bunch up the pipe...
I have gone to 700* for a day or two...
no issues...
the sweet spot is 350-400...
if you are always in the 5-600 you might need a bigger stove...
I think that's pretty close to the sweet spot for any hand fed coal stove Cape. You can run hotter or cooler but that does seem to be the "65" thruway speed.

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Post Thu. Dec. 13, 2012 4:30 pm

How deep is the firebox on the 1600, or basically, how deep is the bed of coal when filled to the top of the firebrick?

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Post Thu. Dec. 13, 2012 5:23 pm

Top of the fire brick is 9" I believe. So with coal mounded it's 12" I think.

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Post Thu. Dec. 13, 2012 6:12 pm

titleist1 wrote:Every time I read about the suggested shake down process on here I think of Gunnery Sgt. Tom Highway, who says that if ya shake it more than once ladies, that constitutes pleasure and we're not in that business!!!
What da ya mean?? I always enjoy shakin it :lol: er uh, the grates I mean :funny:

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Post Sat. Dec. 15, 2012 8:23 pm

With stove set at 3 1/2 on dial, 400deg stove temp, dampner closed 90%. I have a stove pipe temp of 250deg. 2 feet above stove. (single wall pipe) Is that the norm?

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Post Sun. Dec. 16, 2012 7:36 am

With the same settings as you I get 250° at the stove outlet and 150° about 2' after that.

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Post Sun. Dec. 16, 2012 9:37 pm

dampner closed or open? I am wondering since my dampner is 90% closed if I would get a higher chimney pipe temp? Today I have it at 2 1/2, 280- 300 stove temp and 150 chimney temp.

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Post Mon. Dec. 17, 2012 1:34 am

You're talking about the MPD I assume and yes if you opened it as one does when shaking down and filling the stove or reving up the fire, you will get a higher pipe/stack temp when open due to higher draft pulling the flue gasses faster. Lower is better on the stack relative to the stove temp since it's more efficient not wasting that heat up the chimney.

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Post Mon. Dec. 17, 2012 3:02 am

ridgeracing wrote:With stove set at 3 1/2 on dial, 400deg stove temp, dampner closed 90%. I have a stove pipe temp of 250deg. 2 feet above stove. (single wall pipe) Is that the norm?
I'm On Fire wrote:With the same settings as you I get 250° at the stove outlet and 150° about 2' after that.
ridgeracing wrote:dampner closed or open? I am wondering since my dampner is 90% closed if I would get a higher chimney pipe temp? Today I have it at 2 1/2, 280- 300 stove temp and 150 chimney temp.
These variations you guys are seeing could be because of draft pressure. Ridgeracing is probably running a higher draft than IOF which would be pulling in more combustion air making his stove run hotter at the same setting as IOF.

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