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Modern and vintage hand fired coal stove are similar to a wood stove and in some cases can burn either. They need to be regulated and fed by hand usually every 12 to 24 hours depending on your usage. They require no power to operate making them ideal for rural settings with long power outages.
CapeCoaler
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Stoker Coal Boiler: want AA130
Hand Fed Coal Stove: DS Machine BS#4, Harman MKII, Hitzer 503,...
Coal Size/Type: Pea/Nut/Stove
Location: Cape Cod, MA

Post Thu. Jan. 13, 2011 1:23 pm

Try pushing the air up first...
The cooler lower air will mix with and cool the hotter stuck up high air...
At least it is easier than shortening the rod...
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jpete
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Mk II
Coal Size/Type: Stove, Nut, Pea
Other Heating: Dino juice
Location: Warwick, RI

Post Thu. Jan. 13, 2011 1:25 pm

Oops. Double post.
Jeff

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I'm On Fire
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: DS Machines DS-1600 Hot Air Circulator
Location: Vernon, New Jersey

Post Thu. Jan. 13, 2011 1:40 pm

Yes, both of my fans are still drawing air up. Should I maybe have one blowing down? Maybe the hotter side? I did a smoke check prior to installing the stove and found some more air leaks which I fixed. But maybe I should do another one.

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Stoker Coal Boiler: 1959 EFM 350
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Magnafire Mark I
Baseburners & Antiques: Sears Signal Oak 15 & Andes Kitchen Range
Coal Size/Type: Rice and Chestnut
Other Heating: Fisher Fireplace Insert
Location: Stillwater, New Jersey

Post Thu. Jan. 13, 2011 4:24 pm

Looks like you're gonna burn up some coal tonight, the forecast low is supposed to be 6°.
Heating a circa 1832 farmhouse with a Harman Magnafire Mark I & a 1959 EFM 350 (heating DHW).
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I'm On Fire
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: DS Machines DS-1600 Hot Air Circulator
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Post Thu. Jan. 13, 2011 7:42 pm

Heh, we'll see. Came home and found the stove on its way out. Not entirely sure what happened. I have a habit of calling my wife every few hours during the day to check on the stove. Each time I called today she would reply, "Its good. 500*." Came home stove wasn't 500*, it was 400* house was 64*.

Man I was pissed. Still trying to bring it back from the dead. I don't know if I'm not shaking down enough, too much or burning too hot. I did notice that with 10 shakes I am not getting a lot of visible red through the grates. Especially this morning.

Filled it back up at 1700 shook it down and thought I dumped the fire, filled the ash pan up with red coals. I filled the hopper, and brought it back to 550*. Just waiting till 2000 so I can do another shake and refill. There is still a lot of ash in the fire box.

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Paisan
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: D.S.
Stove/Furnace Model: 1600 Circulator
Location: Mogadore, Oh

Post Thu. Jan. 13, 2011 8:00 pm

I'm On Fire wrote:Heh, we'll see. Came home and found the stove on its way out. Not entirely sure what happened. I have a habit of calling my wife every few hours during the day to check on the stove. Each time I called today she would reply, "Its good. 500*." Came home stove wasn't 500*, it was 400* house was 64*.

Man I was *censored*. Still trying to bring it back from the dead. I don't know if I'm not shaking down enough, too much or burning too hot. I did notice that with 10 shakes I am not getting a lot of visible red through the grates. Especially this morning.

Filled it back up at 1700 shook it down and thought I dumped the fire, filled the ash pan up with red coals. I filled the hopper, and brought it back to 550*. Just waiting till 2000 so I can do another shake and refill. There is still a lot of ash in the fire box.


Shake down till you see red. Thats what you need to do if you are going to be gone all day. And 500* is not to hot. DS is simple stove and easy to use, they rock!

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Post Thu. Jan. 13, 2011 8:28 pm

I didn't think it was. But I dunno what is going on. I just did another shake and top off.

Something just doesn't seem right. If I look through the ash pan at the bottom of the grates, the middle is red but the front and back is still dark. Like there is a lot of ash buildup or no fire. I don't want to mess with it too much more. I'm really afraid I'm gonna just dump the fire. I also want to empty the ash pan, but there are a lot of hot coals in it.

Apparently, I have no clue what I'm doing. Thought I was doing good with the DS. Was even proud. Almost a week without any issues. Fire still doesn't seem to be too healthy; hopefully it'll get better before I go to bed. Don't have too many blue ladies. House is still cold; but kind of figure that will happen since it's going to be real cold tonight.

Time to break open another Sam Adams.

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Skipfish
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Stove/Furnace Make: D.S. Machine
Stove/Furnace Model: Circulator
Location: Sinking Spring, PA

Post Thu. Jan. 13, 2011 8:49 pm

IOF,
I have the 96,000 BTU model DS Circulator - it was a Christmas present to myself in 2009. If your fire is cooling off, you may want to poke at the corners of the firebox to check for accumulation of ash - depending on the coal you're burning, it can build up in 4-5 days. If I don't poke mine down once or twice a week, the airflow can get cut down quite a bit.

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CoalHeat
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Baseburners & Antiques: Sears Signal Oak 15 & Andes Kitchen Range
Coal Size/Type: Rice and Chestnut
Other Heating: Fisher Fireplace Insert
Location: Stillwater, New Jersey

Post Thu. Jan. 13, 2011 9:06 pm

If I look through the ash pan at the bottom of the grates, the middle is red but the front and back is still dark.


About once or twice a week I have the same problem with my Harman stove. After shaking I poke up through the holes in the grates with a stiff wire bent into an "L" shape. I do this with the ash pan removed and then gently shovel out the ash. It seems I get an ash (or clinker) build up that shaking won't clear and it blocks the air passages through the grates. I had to do this just this morning, now the fire is fine. The fire will be slow to return, I sometimes add some wood or lumber scraps to speed things up.
Heating a circa 1832 farmhouse with a Harman Magnafire Mark I & a 1959 EFM 350 (heating DHW).
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lobstah
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: Coal Chubby
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Post Thu. Jan. 13, 2011 9:19 pm

Stuffing 25 to 50 lbs. of fines in stove yesterday probably did not help !

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Rob R.
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Stoker Coal Boiler: EFM DF520
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Hitzer 50-93
Coal Size/Type: Lehigh Rice
Other Heating: Dad's 1953 EFM Highboy
Location: Chazy, NY

Post Thu. Jan. 13, 2011 9:39 pm

lobstah wrote:Stuffing 25 to 50 lbs. of fines in stove yesterday probably did not help !


I agree.

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Post Thu. Jan. 13, 2011 9:41 pm

Nope, Lobstah and markviii, it did not. And I'm gonna tell you right now. It will be the last time I burn fines. They will be going to the bottom of the bin, then to the compost heap. Just not worth it for what little BTUs I get out of burning it.

Wood'nCoal, I did notice that when I came in. The corners had a lot of ash buildup. I kind of poked the front down, I'm not sure how to get the rear with the hopper in the way. I also noticed some clinkers in the bottom of the grates keeping me from shaking down. I just pulled one down with my poker. It was pretty big too.

I'm gonna probably hit it again in a few minutes.

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Baseburners & Antiques: Sears Signal Oak 15 & Andes Kitchen Range
Coal Size/Type: Rice and Chestnut
Other Heating: Fisher Fireplace Insert
Location: Stillwater, New Jersey

Post Thu. Jan. 13, 2011 9:56 pm

Can you poke up from underneath the grate on that stove? That's the easiest way. It seems to be part of the burning routine for some hand-fed stoves.
The coal I have now for the hand-fed has a lot of fines mixed in, it's been moved around a lot. It may be contributing to my problems here as well.
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buck24
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: New Buck Corp. / MODEL 24 COAL
Coal Size/Type: Pea, Nut / Anthracite
Location: NEPA/Pittston Twp. PA

Post Thu. Jan. 13, 2011 10:05 pm

I agree with Wood'nCoal, come from under the grates with an L shaped heavy wire or 3/8" rod. Poke up where the grey or dark spots are and the ash in this area should drop right into the ash pan. With the Buck Model 24 I am able to do this with the ash pan left in the stove. If you don't have enough room on the DS Stove remove the ash pan and put a baking sheet of similiar size in the stove to catch the ash that will drop. When the stove gets choked up with ash there is a big difference with the heat output. She needs a good airflow to burn properly.

CapeCoaler
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Coal Size/Type: Pea/Nut/Stove
Location: Cape Cod, MA

Post Thu. Jan. 13, 2011 10:28 pm

If you look at the coal bed in that DSM notice how the coal drops down at the corners...
Notice how the corners are filling with ash...
Burn the hopper down so you can get at the back corners...
I let mine go about 3" below the hopper bottom lip...
With my 20* poker I can wiggle it down from the top at the front corners...
And vibrate the ash down...
Same thing with the back corners but thru the now empty hopper...
Give it a few shakes poke again...
The DSM has a big pile of hot coals even at 400* so you won't kill a fire doing this now...
Load the hopper up...
Then vibrate the hopper with the 20* poker and get the coal up level with the firebrick front and rear...
That should be good for another 25# of coal in the hopper...
Now the fire should hit 500*...
The weight of the coal in the hopper makes the middle shake down real nice...
The edges and corners lack the extra weight so they need a little extra help once a week...
The back wall will ash up about 1" deep due to the steel bar below the back fire brick...
It makes a shelf for the ash to build up on...
I am not an engineer, train or otherwise!
I stay at a Holiday Inn at least once a year!
Most of all I do have common sense and a practical application of logic.
Oh, add humor, on the dry side, along with a wee bit 'o sarcasm.

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