Keeping My Stove Going While at Work

Modern and vintage hand fired coal stove are similar to a wood stove and in some cases can burn either. They need to be regulated and fed by hand usually every 12 to 24 hours depending on your usage. They require no power to operate making them ideal for rural settings with long power outages.
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Post Tue. Jan. 19, 2010 9:25 am

uffbro--go to Venting,Plumbing,etc. section,maybe you'll find something you can check out--I did!!Rember, common sense goes a long way--hopefully you'll have straightened out this problem by now--perservierance(sp)
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Post Fri. Jan. 22, 2010 12:50 pm

Ok..Baro Damper installed and fired up now. The damper stays open just a little bit..not much. He used a manometer. I haven't seen this damper move in 3 hours it has been installed. Is it supposed to move much? Not windy here today. Since my last post I have been getting much better times on my burns. I think I was maybe ok without the damper as I just got 15 hours on a load of coal yesterday before shutting down for the baro install. I make sure the ash pan is all red before I reload..I have found this to be key in keeping a fire while at work. I come home and still unburned coal on top with the blue ladies. I'll see what this does..Guess you have to give it awhile. Should I now need to open the bottom draft more or less since the install? I had it set perfect to 1.25 turn to achieve above mentioned burn times.

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Post Fri. Jan. 22, 2010 1:02 pm

where ever the control was set when he adjusted the baro is where I would leave it... was there no wind during the adjustment?? it will only move when the wind blows or the stack temp changes with the seasons.

patience and observance of conditions and settings , will make it clear what does what ;) :)
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Post Fri. Jan. 22, 2010 1:28 pm

he just fired it up I think we had the bottom ash door open just making a new fire. What is the proper way? I can tell you the damper is open about 1/4". I really don't think he knew proper way
to do this.

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Post Fri. Jan. 22, 2010 1:45 pm

well, if it was set with the ash door open......a lot of air was going thru the stove no??

and when you close it and adjust the air control then less air is going thru the stove....

but the baro is set for the "lots" of air......

its often why a permanent installation is best cause you can moniter changes and adjust accordingly.

you should get it burning good and strong and adjusted the way you want,THEN measure and adjust the baro....this way you can be confident of the expected way it will burn under those set adjustments..

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Post Fri. Jan. 22, 2010 3:01 pm

A co-worker lent me his manometer to adjust the barometric damper. I have a medium sized fire going so I stick the probe in the hole and I get -.04 reading. I then push the damper in and out and there is absolutely no change in the reading still -.04 any way you adjust it. Can this be possible? Side stove temp is 300°. Harman says that the setting should be a min of -.06.

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Post Fri. Jan. 22, 2010 3:06 pm

uffbros wrote:A co-worker lent me his manometer to adjust the barometric damper. I have a medium sized fire going so I stick the probe in the hole and I get -.04 reading. I then push the damper in and out and there is absolutely no change in the reading still -.04 any way you adjust it. Can this be possible? Side stove temp is 300°. Harman says that the setting should be a min of -.06.
my first question would be : did you calibrate the manometer to zero?

better yet did you give it the "blow" test" :confused: :whistle: :whistle: :whistle:

and.... did it move? is "the hole" on the stove side of the pipe that the baro is in??

check the draft before the baro...
how bout a pic? :)
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Post Fri. Jan. 22, 2010 7:05 pm

uffbros wrote:A co-worker lent me his manometer to adjust the barometric damper. I have a medium sized fire going so I stick the probe in the hole and I get -.04 reading. I then push the damper in and out and there is absolutely no change in the reading still -.04 any way you adjust it. Can this be possible? Side stove temp is 300°. Harman says that the setting should be a min of -.06.
You had a pro install your baro, and he set it with a manometer, so let's assume for the moment that he knew what he was doing. You also say you are getting good long burns now. So leave it alone for a few days and see how things go.

Harman says you should have a minimum of .06, but many (myself included) run well at less draft. My Harman is presently between .04 and .05 and I am happy with it. To answer your other question, about the baro moving -- if the wind is not gusty, and if your stove is burning steadily, then no, the baro will hardly move at all.
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Post Fri. Jan. 22, 2010 7:29 pm

Mine runs 24+ hours on one load at .04" - no more than .05".

My long burn times have more to do with coal quality than technique ... with a different brand last year (and 3 prior years) I was never able to achieve more than 14 -15 hours max. doing the same as I do now.
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Post Fri. Jan. 22, 2010 7:36 pm

Poconoeagle wrote: you should get it burning good and strong and adjusted the way you want,THEN measure and adjust the baro....this way you can be confident of the expected way it will burn under those set adjustments..

8-)
I'd go one further and say that after you have it going the way you like it WAIT for
at least a half hour without touching it. THEN you will know that your adjustments are what
you want..

Remember, coal is slower than I am, when it comes to reaction times. :oops:
Small adjustments take quite a while to show their true effect.

I agree with rberg on the 'minimum' draft.
Mine runs nearly all the time between .04-.05.
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Post Fri. Jan. 22, 2010 7:38 pm

SMITTY wrote:Mine runs 24+ hours on one load at .04" - no more than .05".

My long burn times have more to do with coal quality than technique ... with a different brand last year (and 3 prior years) I was never able to achieve more than 14 -15 hours max. doing the same as I do now.
Come... quit being a tease.
What WERE you using, and what ARE you using.. :secret:
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Post Fri. Jan. 22, 2010 7:41 pm

:D WAS using Kimmels bagged nut.

Now using Blashak bagged nut. Swear to God ... it really was that big of a difference! :shock:
The laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are
neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. ...Such laws make things worse
for the assaulted and better for the assailants, they serve rather to
encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with
greater confidence than an armed man."

- Thomas Jefferson, quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria in "On
Crimes and Punishment."

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Post Fri. Jan. 22, 2010 7:51 pm

SMITTY wrote::D WAS using Kimmels bagged nut.

Now using Blashak bagged nut. Swear to God ... it really was that big of a difference! :shock:
WOW... that is quite a difference.
And you are doing everything exactly the same as before?
I'm using Kimmels.... Thought it was decent stuff... consistent sizing, no crap in it,
and what I thought good burns... like you were getting.. :cry:
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Post Fri. Jan. 22, 2010 8:08 pm

SMITTY wrote::D WAS using Kimmels bagged nut.

Now using Blashak bagged nut. Swear to God ... it really was that big of a difference! :shock:
Smitty, last year I went through this Blashak/Kimmel's test with a different results.......... :nono:

Now, I will have to do it all over again. :doh: :crazy: :bang:

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Edit: I change the baro setting from -.04 to -.06 from warm temps to cold temps. This makes a big

change in heat !!!!
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Post Fri. Jan. 22, 2010 8:13 pm

I'm tending to the stove the exact same way I did last year.

PC 12 ... I think this was just a good vein that I just happened to get. I guess I'll know for sure if I get the same results next season ...
The laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are
neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. ...Such laws make things worse
for the assaulted and better for the assailants, they serve rather to
encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with
greater confidence than an armed man."

- Thomas Jefferson, quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria in "On
Crimes and Punishment."

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