Better than Hybrid Hot waterr heater - adj mixing valve to output lower temp water

 
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Post by hotblast1357 » Sun. Sep. 10, 2023 3:49 pm

Richard S. wrote:
Sun. Sep. 10, 2023 8:57 am
You'd only want to do that if you need a larger volume of hot water. e.g you have a bunch of teenagers in the house and someone is always taking a cold shower because all the hot water was used up.

That said, these newer water heaters are super insulated and it's not going to be huge savings keeping it low. I'd concentrate on insinuation for the pipes and valves including the pressure relief valve. Install in the heated living space if possible.

Something else to consider is simply an uninsulated storage tank before the water heater in the heated space or near a heat source like your coal stove. This is effectively a passive heat pump. It may only raise the temp of the water 10 or 15 degrees and it may take years to recover the investment but it will save money long run.
The comment I made that you quoted, about pumping cold water in, was just referring to what a mixing valve does.

Good idea about the pre uninsulated tank! If someone had the room and the spare equipment.

 
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Post by Rob R. » Sun. Sep. 10, 2023 9:17 pm

hotblast1357 wrote:
Sun. Sep. 10, 2023 7:37 am
Question of the day,

Is it more energy efficient to turn down the temp at the source using less electricity to heat the water in the beginning, or heat the water to the same high temp, then pump some cold water in with that high heated hot water to bring it back down in temp?

A resistant hot water heater will never be half as efficient as a heat pump water heater, they have COPs of 3+.

I feed my electric water heater in the winter with boiler temp water, so I have a mixing valve because it can see temps in the 190s.
If you lower the temperature of the tank or the boiler, you reduce the standby losses. Richard is right that the new tanks are very well insulated, I think the savings would be minimal from turning down the tank temperature.

If you can reduce the temperature of a boiler by 10-20 degrees and still get enough DHW from the coil, I think the savings from that would be noticeable.

 
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Post by hotblast1357 » Mon. Sep. 11, 2023 5:08 am

Absolutely rob! I run my boiler at 155-165 and have endless hot water, I use a plate exchanger instead of a coil, and I have enough boiler to heat the road I live on lol

 
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Post by davidmcbeth3 » Mon. Sep. 11, 2023 1:41 pm

davidmcbeth3 wrote:
Sat. Sep. 09, 2023 1:45 pm
Lowered mixing valve another 1/4 turn .. kek

Now have to turn faucets to max to get hot water ~ 100F

No one complaining...dare I go further ? I dare ! I dare !
I bottomed out my mixing valve .. no one is complaining.

Maybe I got away with it ! kek
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Post by Richard S. » Thu. Sep. 21, 2023 4:51 pm

hotblast1357 wrote:
Sun. Sep. 10, 2023 3:49 pm
The comment I made that you quoted, about pumping cold water in, was just referring to what a mixing valve does.
Buy a smaller water heater and put the valve after the tank. :)

What I should of added to my comment above is if you are going to raise the water temp for more volume you need a mixing valve after the tank. For safety if for any reason. One thing to be aware of is you may be used to really hot water coming out of the tap but your guests may not.

 
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Post by davidmcbeth3 » Thu. Sep. 21, 2023 5:06 pm

Richard S. wrote:
Thu. Sep. 21, 2023 4:51 pm
Buy a smaller water heater and put the valve after the tank. :)

What I should of added to my comment above is if you are going to raise the water temp for more volume you need a mixing valve after the tank. For safety if for any reason. One thing to be aware of is you may be used to really hot water coming out of the tap but your guests may not.
I thought mixing valves were pretty standard procedure. Don't recall if I posted the Sharkbite variety before...
https://www.homedepot.com/b/Plumbing-Valves-Mixin ... vZca1nZ4n3
The push in ones are appropriate as long as one does not hide it for periodic inspections.

 
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Post by davidmcbeth3 » Wed. Sep. 27, 2023 9:08 pm

Uh-oh....wifey said water wasn't that hot today .. wondered if HW heater was OK...LOL

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