I was just about to complain about my electric bill ....

 
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Post by coalnewbie » Mon. Apr. 04, 2022 2:50 pm

Perhaps it is not so bad

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/French ... -Snap.html

Got coal?

Je ne peux pas faire fonctionner ce putain de truc

I guess they can't operate a NPP


 
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Post by franco b » Mon. Apr. 04, 2022 3:14 pm

And there you are, sitting on a fortune of horse manure, well seasoned.

 
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Post by Lightning » Mon. Apr. 04, 2022 3:31 pm

So that's $3292.35 per megawatt. I'm having brain fog or shock, not sure which.. So is that 32 cents per kilowatt or $3.29 per kilowatt? My better judgement tells me to move the decimal 3 places but I can't believe that's right.

 
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Post by coaledsweat » Mon. Apr. 04, 2022 3:41 pm

It's $3.29, no?

 
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Post by Sunny Boy » Mon. Apr. 04, 2022 3:48 pm

Lightning wrote:
Mon. Apr. 04, 2022 3:31 pm
So that's $3292.35 per megawatt. I'm having brain fog or shock, not sure which.. So is that 32 cents per kilowatt or $3.29 per kilowatt? My better judgement tells me to move the decimal 3 places but I can't believe that's right.
A megawatt is one million watts. So that would be $.003292 per watt, or $3.29 per kilowatt.

And I was complaining about my last electric bill going up to a total of $0.074 a kilowatt hour, thanks to the recent oil and gas prices spiking up. :baby:

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Post by rberq » Mon. Apr. 04, 2022 4:22 pm

Sunny Boy wrote:
Mon. Apr. 04, 2022 3:48 pm
And I was complaining about my last electric bill going up to a total of $0.074 a kilowatt hour, thanks to the recent oil and gas prices spiking up.
Put some of your bargain-priced KWHs in a box and ship them to me, please.

My last electric bill was roughly 22 cents per kilowatt hour -- 12 cents energy charge plus 10 cents delivery charge.
Last year it was about 16 cents total. Our price increase was before the bump in oil and gas, so is unrelated to the recent spike. Supposedly the energy charge is locked in for a year. I don't know if there is a clause in the state's contract to allow changes based on higher oil/gas.

 
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Post by warminmn » Mon. Apr. 04, 2022 4:27 pm

Im over 30 cents per KW with the service charge. Paying almost 100/month on a little over 300KW usage. Im getting closer and closer to moving on from it.


 
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Post by Sunny Boy » Mon. Apr. 04, 2022 5:15 pm

rberq wrote:
Mon. Apr. 04, 2022 4:22 pm
Put some of your bargain-priced KWHs in a box and ship them to me, please.

My last electric bill was roughly 22 cents per kilowatt hour -- 12 cents energy charge plus 10 cents delivery charge.
Last year it was about 16 cents total. Our price increase was before the bump in oil and gas, so is unrelated to the recent spike. Supposedly the energy charge is locked in for a year. I don't know if there is a clause in the state's contract to allow changes based on higher oil/gas.
Sorry, the boxes keep going up in flames. :D

My village has it's own municipal electric department (one of 42 in NYS). As such, we have a contract allotment going back over 100 years for hydroelectric at cheap rates (presently 0.044 cents per kwh - which includes all delivery charges). NYS is one of the top states in hydroelectric power generation.

What makes this latest bill "painful" is a lot of village homes use some form of electric heat, so in winter we always run over the allotment. Those short-term overages have to be purchased from gas-fired station power companies. With the recent increase in oil/gas prices that added .03 cents to last month's bill, - about double what it would normally be this time of year for the coldest month. And we had some record cold days.

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Post by coalnewbie » Mon. Apr. 04, 2022 5:35 pm

Im over 30 cents per KW with the service charge.
Ever since electricity came to WI seven years ago, it's been up and down

 
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Post by warminmn » Mon. Apr. 04, 2022 6:32 pm

coalnewbie wrote:
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Ever since electricity came to WI seven years ago, it's been up and down
Ha Ha! Wrong state but still funny! Im sure the 500 acres of solar and the 60 windmills they are going to surround me with the next 2 years will lower the cost... NOT!

 
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Post by rberq » Mon. Apr. 04, 2022 7:06 pm

warminmn wrote:
Mon. Apr. 04, 2022 6:32 pm
Ha Ha! Wrong state but still funny! I'm sure the 500 acres of solar and the 60 windmills they are going to surround me with the next 2 years will lower the cost... NOT!
There are lots of solar farms being installed here. Individual homes can choose to buy the output, indirectly, as the solar is fed into the grid and delivered along with all other sources of generation. Pricing I have seen promises about 15 percent savings on the generation, nothing on the distribution, so it nets to maybe 19 cents per kwh vs. 22 cents. I have not seen a detailed financial analysis. I assume at this point the savings are subsidized by upgrades to the grid that are paid for by everybody. I would like to think that, long term, the fuel savings will more than offset the subsidies.

 
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Post by warminmn » Mon. Apr. 04, 2022 7:48 pm

rberq wrote:
Mon. Apr. 04, 2022 7:06 pm
There are lots of solar farms being installed here. Individual homes can choose to buy the output, indirectly, as the solar is fed into the grid and delivered along with all other sources of generation. Pricing I have seen promises about 15 percent savings on the generation, nothing on the distribution, so it nets to maybe 19 cents per kwh vs. 22 cents. I have not seen a detailed financial analysis. I assume at this point the savings are subsidized by upgrades to the grid that are paid for by everybody. I would like to think that, long term, the fuel savings will more than offset the subsidies.
We can buy green energy here too. I remember a few years ago it was more expensive. Right now I'd pay more for energy that isnt green :lol: I'll have to look at the crap the rest of my life that creates it. Sometime I do need to post how many acres of farmland is being wasted here for each MW solar makes compared to the windfarms.

I have nothing against solar, it has its place in towns and yards and non-productive land but not wasting farmland that should be raising food. It is impossible here to do anything with farmland except farm it but they allow the green crap as they are paying money to the county to get their permission, a real bunch of crap.

 
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Post by Richard S. » Tue. Apr. 05, 2022 5:05 am

Appears this situation has been escalating since early/mid winter. Article from Jan. 10.
https://jpt.spe.org/france-turns-to-coal-as-nucle ... power-grid

As important as going green may be for the environment, France now seems to have no choice but to turn back to coal-fired electricity as a quick fix to avoid possible power outages in January and February.

With 17 of the country’s 56 nuclear power plants temporarily shut down for planned or emergency maintenance, the French Ministry of the Ecological Transition wants to raise limitations imposed in 2019 on the number of hours its three remaining coal-fired power plants are allowed to operate

The article cited by coalnewbie says 25 of 56 offline so it's up since that article was written, the real question is how does almost half your nuclear fleet end up offline in winter? Especially in this case where 70% of the power comes from nuclear.

 
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Post by rberq » Tue. Apr. 05, 2022 8:50 am

Richard S. wrote:
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the real question is how does almost half your nuclear fleet end up offline in winter?
PPPP? Piss Poor Prior Planning?
Or intentional, says the cynic in me ... to apply political and/or economic pressure?

 
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Post by coalnewbie » Tue. Apr. 05, 2022 1:05 pm

I just got an additional 581,250,000 BTUs of energy for a very reasonable cost. When people ask, I tell them it's charcoal for landscaping better than mulch I say and nobody argues or cares. I am too old to be fighting about energy. You can't fix stupid. Today the UN comes up with another super alarming report ... now where is that AGA? Next up, rapeseed to biodiesel and/or methane from horsechit and run the Lister CSs on it. Things will only get more hysterical. I gotta get off the grid


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