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Post by Sunny Boy » Fri. Feb. 23, 2024 7:18 pm

Russia loses another very expensive early warning plane. I guess they don't get enough early warning to avoid being shot down by Ukraine. :roll:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/ukraine-downs-another- ... 12329.html

Their best tanks make great targets for cheap drones, their hypersonic missiles that Putin bragged can't be shot down are being shot down, they lost 7 fighter jets in a week, their Navy has lost about a 1/3 of their Black Sea fleet to a country without a navy and being forced to move the remainder ships far away from Ukraine where they are useless.

Plus, they've lost men and equipment on a scale not seen in any war since WWII.

Now starting year three of their "quick victory",....the big bad bear is still not doing great. :baby:

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Post by nut » Fri. Feb. 23, 2024 8:09 pm

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Now I am confused. Is that not the narrative? It is great that Ukraine is fighting bad Putin and Russia for us? Ra Ra. You won me over. Go Ukraine! Send them weapons and money! Thank God for those Brave Ukrainian Soldiers! They are fighting so we don't have to. Horray!
RaRaRa Russia makes much more sense? Thats some pretzel logic. They are fighting for their country. If that happens to stop Russia's advance , yes eastern Europe and by extension the entire free world gains, so be it.

 
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Post by Richard S. » Fri. Feb. 23, 2024 10:42 pm

Sunny Boy wrote:
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Russia loses another very expensive early warning plane. I guess they don't get enough early warning to avoid being shot down by Ukraine. :roll:
That's two down, approximately 5 to go and perhaps as little as 2. The speculation from the first one was a Patriot battery, they only need to light it up for split second and fire the missile. Then the Patriot battery gets the hell out Dodge. The missile is autonomous after it's fired. It's not a very long range and it's going to be there in no longer than a minute, much less If they are suing the Israeli version of the missile. Warning or no warning they are screwed once it's fired.

 
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Post by Sunny Boy » Fri. Feb. 23, 2024 11:13 pm

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That's two down, approximately 5 to go. The speculation from the first one was a Patriot battery, they only need to light it up for split second and fire the missile. Then the Patriot battery gets the hell out Dodge. The missile is autonomous after it's fired. It's not a very long range and it's going to be there in seconds. Warning or no warning they are screwed.
The reports put this one patrolling over land east of the Sea of Azov, which is a very long way from any Ukrainian held territory. This would be out of range of even the long-range version of the Patriot missiles.

Their A-50 is said to have a 200 mile radar range and google earth measures about 250 miles from around there to the nearest Ukrainian held territory. I guess they don't have onboard counter measures, or fighter escorts like we use with our AWACS ?

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Post by Sunny Boy » Fri. Feb. 23, 2024 11:16 pm

Speaking of economists,...... Russia's financial version of between a rock and a hard place ?

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/russias-econom ... 03820.html

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Post by Sunny Boy » Fri. Feb. 23, 2024 11:28 pm

Denmark signs a security agreement to help Ukraine.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/ukraine-signs-security ... 59941.html

And Italy will be next to sign.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/italy-sign-security-ag ... 28534.html

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Post by waytomany?s » Sat. Feb. 24, 2024 8:25 am

Sunny Boy wrote:
Fri. Feb. 23, 2024 11:13 pm
The reports put this one patrolling over land east of the Sea of Azov, which is a very long way from any Ukrainian held territory. This would be out of range of even the long-range version of the Patriot missiles.

Their A-50 is said to have a 200 mile radar range and google earth measures about 250 miles from around there to the nearest Ukrainian held territory. I guess they don't have onboard counter measures, or fighter escorts like we use with our AWACS ?

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Patriot pac-2?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2024/02/23/ ... ar-planes/


 
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Post by k-2 » Sat. Feb. 24, 2024 10:01 am

They way Afg. defeated their superpower aggressors was brilliant. Let them move in almost without a shot and them run covert operations for years until they get tired of it an leave. Too late for Ukraine to try this they are mostly dead already.
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Post by k-2 » Sat. Feb. 24, 2024 10:13 am

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Now I understand. The financial cost is nothing when considering that Ukraine is the country getting destroyed and Ukrainian lives are the ones lost in the pursuit of defeating that evil, lying, dictator Putin, and defending American Democracy! Ra Ra USA, USA, USA!!
I propose a war tax. Enact a consumption national sales tax that covers every dollar sent abroad for any reason. Then the folks can see what this and all the other foreign spending is costing right up front. Not hidden in the inflation that the debt is causing.

 
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Post by nut » Sat. Feb. 24, 2024 10:25 am

A war tax is a good idea. At least everyone has some skin in the game and people might think twice. To be clear though our Ukrainian support is not a war, it's trying to prevent a larger scale war. Better to be penny wise than a pound foolish.

 
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Post by k-2 » Sat. Feb. 24, 2024 10:37 am

nut wrote:
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A war tax is a good idea. At least everyone has some skin in the game and people might think twice. To be clear though our Ukrainian support is not a war, it's trying to prevent a larger scale war. Better to be penny wise than a pound foolish.
But its not clear that our support may just as likely cause a wider war, not prevent one.
55% of the population oppose more aid.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/04/politics/cnn-poll- ... index.html

 
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Post by nut » Sat. Feb. 24, 2024 10:48 am

As with everything it's all in how the topic is framed.

 
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Post by ColdHouse » Sat. Feb. 24, 2024 11:34 am

k-2 wrote:
Sat. Feb. 24, 2024 10:13 am
I propose a war tax. Enact a consumption national sales tax that covers every dollar sent abroad for any reason. Then the folks can see what this and all the other foreign spending is costing right up front. Not hidden in the inflation that the debt is causing.
I am against any new tax. The problem we have is not a Revenue problem but a spending problem. Taxes have a way of never going away and satiating the beasts appetite is not possible.

I do not wish money extorted from me via taxes or inflation.

Those that want to fund the Ukraine or Israel or any other effort should freely do so. I encourage any person that wants to fund to send their money directly to the effort! Set up a fundukraine.com site and donate till your heart is content.

 
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Post by Richard S. » Sat. Feb. 24, 2024 11:40 am

k-2 wrote:
Sat. Feb. 24, 2024 10:01 am
They way Afg. defeated their superpower aggressors was brilliant. Let them move in almost without a shot and them run covert operations for years until they get tired of it an leave. Too late for Ukraine to try this they are mostly dead already.
The Afghanis were able to make Russia's invasion a nightmare because we gave them stinger missiles. Once they lost the sky they lost their eyes. US casualties were hovering around 12 per year for the last 6 years of the occupation. For almost a year and half before we left it was 0 until the last month with a spike of 13.

I would expect Russians are going to face a multi year insurgency if they are able to defeat Ukraine on the battlefield.

 
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Post by nut » Sat. Feb. 24, 2024 11:43 am

True. No new taxes is good too. Ha Ha. Problem is though, starting back in Dessert Storm people started looking at war as a video game. Videos of guided missiles hitting buildings and bridges and people. No sacrifice by most people especially the higher earners whose kids went to college rather than the military. Maybe a tax on people that don't join the military.


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