BunkerdCaddis wrote: ↑Sat. Jun. 10, 2023 2:07 pm
You and I know that but tell that to the 15 traitors sitting outside. "Uh, sir... that law your accusing me of breaking? It's unconstitutional"
... "Oh... sorry my good man, we didn't think you knew that. Our bad, have a nice day..."
https://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=8690 ... s_sdt=8003
Bourgeois v. Peters federal case (4th amend prevents weapons search to get access to a place where its a crime to bring a weapon into the place) ^^^
Well, as far as guns go and keeping them out of places, like gov't places, courts have noted that if the gov't makes it a crime to have a gun (or weapon, meaning whatever they consider to be a weapon) in a place then the 4th amendment kicks in and does not allow searches of people to get into the place, see court decision linked above where a person was searched to get into a place where its a crime to have a weapon.
So what does one do when the gov't wants to deprive you of a right ? Its certainly a crime to do so under 18 USC 241 and 18 USC 242 (federal laws). Occasionally I place them under arrest under the authority of CGS Sec. 53a-22 (contains citizen arrest authority)- I do not use any force or say that they cannot move or leave...I just say "under authority of 53a-22, I place you under citizens arrest for violating 18usc241/242. Then they scratch their heads. LOL I'll visit the states attorney office/ call FBI many times to seek the law enforced and rights respected.
Heck in my state they passed a law CGS Sec. 54-33b ... notes:
Sec. 54-33b. Search of person. (a) A law enforcement official may ask a person if he or she may conduct a search of their person, provided such law enforcement official has reasonable and articulable suspicion that weapons, contraband or other evidence of a crime is contained upon the person, or that the search is reasonably necessary to further an ongoing law enforcement investigation...
Now they cannot search a person unless they have PC or RAS or part of an ongoing investigation.
Passed in 2020, amended thereafter to what is shown above...all part of response to BLM protests
54-33b is new and I have started contacting law enforcement agencies about this to seek to have them amend their policies. Some have, some have not.
I would advise people to learn the law and statutes where they live, compare to const. case decisions, and obtain police policies and manuals and to examine all. Decide what needs to be changed and contact the government agencies to begin the process.
For most part, I try to educate the public and government and seek changes. If a law enforcement official gets all prissy and confrontational, I arrest. In my state there is no penalty for performing a "bad" citizens arrest as long as reasonable force is used (and I do not use any force at all, to avoid that minefield). Other states are different..its why one needs to know and keep up with the law.
Too much hassle, not worth the effort....then continue to be a sheep, that's up to you. And I am not a wolf..I don't care what the sheep do.
