Hybrid hot water heater a no-go for me - it creates condensate
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The condensate requires the water created by the device to go into some type of draining system
I don't have a drain where it would need to go.
So, the hybrid HW heater, like the HD one linked below is a no go for my situation
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Rheem-Performance-Pla ... /312742081
I suppose one could have the condensate dump into a 5 gal bucket then dump the stuff into a toilet on a routine but I would not be able to easily see how full the bucket would get and it would almost certainly cause some water issues
So if looking into one of these devices that can save $$$, consider the fact that this condensate needs to go somewhere.
I don't have a drain where it would need to go.
So, the hybrid HW heater, like the HD one linked below is a no go for my situation
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Rheem-Performance-Pla ... /312742081
I suppose one could have the condensate dump into a 5 gal bucket then dump the stuff into a toilet on a routine but I would not be able to easily see how full the bucket would get and it would almost certainly cause some water issues
So if looking into one of these devices that can save $$$, consider the fact that this condensate needs to go somewhere.
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Oh, and an all electric one would cost me , with 35 cents kwhr, over $1200 / yr est. to run
Energy guide for unit linked above ... the $$ given based on 14 cents/kwhr .. I adj accordingly
Oh, and an all electric one would cost me , with 35 cents kwhr, over $1200 / yr est. to run
Energy guide for unit linked above ... the $$ given based on 14 cents/kwhr .. I adj accordingly
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don't have a sump you can drain the water to? you could pump it to a drain with a inexpensive condensate pump.
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Thats what i l like about mine .Saves the dehumidifier from running all the time which uses a lot of power. I drain mine into the basement perimeter sump system but i could also drain it into one of the basement waste water lines.davidmcbeth3 wrote: ↑Fri. Feb. 10, 2023 8:10 pmThe condensate requires the water created by the device to go into some type of draining system
I don't have a drain where it would need to go.
So, the hybrid HW heater, like the HD one linked below is a no go for my situation
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My sump pump and sewer lines inside that are accessible are too far from where I would put the unit. And sump pumps are not made for this purpose.
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They make condensate pumps exactly for this purpose. I looked at a couple that cost $50-70 and they can easily pump across the basement of an average house.davidmcbeth3 wrote: ↑Fri. Feb. 10, 2023 11:48 pmMy sump pump and sewer lines inside that are accessible are too far from where I would put the unit. And sump pumps are not made for this purpose.
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A link to two .. I'd go with the $125 model myself
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Everbilt-120-Volt-Con ... /308593413
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Little-Giant-VCL-24UL ... /204481233
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I’m strongly considering one, once I let my coal boiler go out in the spring I’ll find out what the true cost of electric hot water is with my whole house monitoring system, which will dictate if I switch to one of these, got a drain right below where it would go so I’m all set, considering piping the intake and exhaust into my attic even.
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A 120v heat pump system
https://s3.amazonaws.com/WebPartners/ProductDocum ... 106054.pdf
But look at spec sheet...for southern USA area
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I like it! That’s one of the quietest I’ve heard running.
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I like that too..but my basement is now 50F / outside 25Fhotblast1357 wrote: ↑Sat. Feb. 11, 2023 6:29 pmI like it! That’s one of the quietest I’ve heard running.
hmmm still thinking .. I could still have both the hybrid heat pump and oil burning system ... so for two coldest months have option of all-electric (ie heat pump turned off) or oil burner as I have now.
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This guy has some vids and although he's loquacious the summed up info from his vids is this:
Works good, saves $$, in Apr-Oct time period
Cools his basement down to much in winter
Makes some degree of noise
Does not actually effect or replace his basement dehumidifier
He does use his basement as a living space - ie finished basement
Overall, he likes the heat pump HW but he turns it off in cold weather months and goes back to his all-electric HW heater due to issues noted above.
He lives in Penn.
So that maybe the option for me. It would require some extra values for the switch from winter mode to summer mode for the 2 water heating appliances (Boiler and Hybrid Heat Pump) and the condensate pump with line to run 40 feet (measured) to the sewer line.
So its do-able. Cost wise ? I use 1 gal of oil now per day for HW..
https://images.thdstatic.com/catalog/pdfImages/ea ... 1e1c8a.pdf
Est 2.,2 kwH per day for hybrid heat pump WH
at 2.5 $/gal oil price and 35 c kwh .. 2.5 v. 0.8 dollars a day
savings: 1.7 $/day
Figure device = 1050 (device has $750 state rebate-incl here)
Plumbing supplies = 400 (valves, condensate pump
Electrical = 100 (breakers, wire)
Total cost = $1550
Since not used in winter, a 12 mo / 9 mo factor incl to account
ROI = $1550 * day/$1.7 * 12 mo./9 mo = 1215 days
1215 days = 3.3 years (break even point)
The 3+ yrs goes over my standard 2 yr limit for such appliances.
If I also incl a $500 fed tax credit, bringing cost down to $1050, that calc. out to 2.2 yr ROI. Still over my 2 yr limit.
Its not a dead project..just dead for the unit I was looking at
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Rheem-Performance-Pla ... /312742081
I am still examining boiler/HW source of heat pump/boiler systems too. Although the ROI v. coal stove heating is gonna be hard to beat I'm guessing.
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Yes, that guy in video did note this ... I think he had an all electric 40 gal HWH also and switches to that in the winter. I dunno why he doesn't just go to "all electric" with his hybrid one..he gave a reason but I don't recall in one of his vids.
I would switch to my on-demand HWH inside my boiler. Uses 1 gal a day for HW.
All electric estimated at 3500 kwh .. about $1250/yr ~ $3.50/day (* 35c/kwh pricing)
https://images.thdstatic.com/catalog/pdfImages/ab ... b4fdd1.pdf
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If I recall, on your switch to the heat pump HWH, you swapped it out for an all electric and this is your sole source of HW.
And since you heat your basement you get it running 100% of time on heat pump mode, so it was a no-brainer to switch. Your ROI based on my #s would be 1.65 yrs.
What was your total out of pocket cost for you? I think you mentioned it before but I forgot.