Electric Cars: Inconvenient Facts, Part 2
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The all-EV "future" is a fantasy.
Electric Cars: Inconvenient Facts, Part 1
Electric Cars: Inconvenient Facts, Part 2
Paul
Electric Cars: Inconvenient Facts, Part 1
Electric Cars: Inconvenient Facts, Part 2
Paul
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Same people that bitch about the size and weight of big SUVs are quiet about the weight of EVs. The model x is over 5,000 lbs and the other Teslas are around 4,000 lbs and above. The GMC Hummer pickup is over 9,000 lbs. If you know about traditional vehicles and their weights you will see how crazy these weights are. That's a lot of kinetic energy rolling down the road in a small package. Are heavier vehicles harder on the roads? Not if they are electric, hell they don't even have to pay taxes to maintain the roads.
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Big Barney for being so convinced about all this stuff you sure don't seem to mind leaving us in the dark by not responding to our inquiries, nor supplying information to defend your statements.
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What they also leave out is the increased expense of tires for those heavy EVs. I used a one-ton van for about 10 years and had to buy very expensive tires to take the weight and because of all that weight they did not last long. Bought a minivan that would carry 1200 lbs. The tires were half the cost and lasted twice as long.gaw wrote: ↑Tue. Nov. 22, 2022 6:26 pmSame people that bitch about the size and weight of big SUVs are quiet about the weight of EVs. The model x is over 5,000 lbs and the other Teslas are around 4,000 lbs and above. The GMC Hummer pickup is over 9,000 lbs. If you know about traditional vehicles and their weights you will see how crazy these weights are. That's a lot of kinetic energy rolling down the road in a small package. Are heavier vehicles harder on the roads? Not if they are electric, hell they don't even have to pay taxes to maintain the roads.
Paul
I did watch his videos and there were many distortions of facts.
Batteries are still too heavy and the companies are working on that.
Trucks like the Hummer are a really bad example of good use of
resources and is thankfully made in small numbers.
We need more EV's with a 2-300 mile range that most people use.
We are only in the early part of the EV cycle and many more im-
provements are to come.
BigBarney
Batteries are still too heavy and the companies are working on that.
Trucks like the Hummer are a really bad example of good use of
resources and is thankfully made in small numbers.
We need more EV's with a 2-300 mile range that most people use.
We are only in the early part of the EV cycle and many more im-
provements are to come.
BigBarney
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So we should all buy into an immature still improving market?
We should jump off the cruise ship into the lifeboats that uncle joe is busy duct taping all the holes shut? Just like cryptocurrency, buy now ask questions later?
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Like many of the EV faithful, he still dances around anything to do with the grid not being able to handle the increased load of his "future".Retro_Origin wrote: ↑Tue. Nov. 22, 2022 6:58 pmBig Barney for being so convinced about all this stuff you sure don't seem to mind leaving us in the dark by not responding to our inquiries, nor supplying information to defend your statements.
And never an answer to how to live with EV's in areas that have a history of brownouts or rolling blackouts,.... or what to do about power outages when everyone is scrambling for fossil fuel power.
I've lived through several long hurricane and winter storm power outages and the one thing that could be relied on was ICE vehicles. Imagine what it would be like if they relied on EV vehicles to get the power back on.
And the EV faithful ignore the fact that, mostly because of increasing grid problems, fossil fueled generator sales have been strong for many years.
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EV's are only viable when subsidized, in a free market they fail.
However, we don't live in a free market, we live under a kleptocracy.
However, we don't live in a free market, we live under a kleptocracy.
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If an EV makes sense for you then buy one but don't ask me to help pay for it through tax breaks, it's bad enough I'm paying for the roads they are driving on.
This is where I take exception with Tony Seba and his Great Transformation. He uses the iPhone as an example of technology that transformed society and thinks renewable energy and EVs and the like are equal. EVs and renewable energy is highly subsidized and still struggling to take hold. The iPhone didn't need to be subsidized, people wanted it without being told they had to get it.
This is where I take exception with Tony Seba and his Great Transformation. He uses the iPhone as an example of technology that transformed society and thinks renewable energy and EVs and the like are equal. EVs and renewable energy is highly subsidized and still struggling to take hold. The iPhone didn't need to be subsidized, people wanted it without being told they had to get it.
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Standby generators, the larger industrial type have become ubiquitous in the last twenty years. Look behind any commercial building and you will see it. The cold storage warehouse I work from has huge generators parked on the premises just in case. Generators built on a semi-trailer. Maybe they are getting ready for The Great Transformation.