Electric Cars: Inconvenient Facts, Part 2

 
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Post by Sunny Boy » Thu. Nov. 17, 2022 9:15 am

The all-EV "future" is a fantasy.

Electric Cars: Inconvenient Facts, Part 1


Electric Cars: Inconvenient Facts, Part 2


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Post by BigBarney » Tue. Nov. 22, 2022 2:10 pm

John Stossell is full of BS ... He has no knowledge of facts...

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Post by grumpy » Tue. Nov. 22, 2022 2:24 pm

BigBarney wrote:
Tue. Nov. 22, 2022 2:10 pm
John Stossell is full of BS ... He has no knowledge of facts...

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Oh , tell us why, or are you being funny.

 
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Post by Sunny Boy » Tue. Nov. 22, 2022 3:49 pm

BigBarney wrote:
Tue. Nov. 22, 2022 2:10 pm
John Stossell is full of BS ... He has no knowledge of facts...

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:lol: :lol: How inconvenient for you that Stossel does indeed have facts. Since you don't see that (and you spelled his name wrong), I have to guess that you didn't watch the videos.

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Post by gaw » Tue. Nov. 22, 2022 6:26 pm

Same people that bitch about the size and weight of big SUVs are quiet about the weight of EVs. The model x is over 5,000 lbs and the other Teslas are around 4,000 lbs and above. The GMC Hummer pickup is over 9,000 lbs. If you know about traditional vehicles and their weights you will see how crazy these weights are. That's a lot of kinetic energy rolling down the road in a small package. Are heavier vehicles harder on the roads? Not if they are electric, hell they don't even have to pay taxes to maintain the roads.

 
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Post by Retro_Origin » Tue. Nov. 22, 2022 6:58 pm

BigBarney wrote:
Tue. Nov. 22, 2022 2:10 pm
John Stossell is full of BS ... He has no knowledge of facts...

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Big Barney for being so convinced about all this stuff you sure don't seem to mind leaving us in the dark by not responding to our inquiries, nor supplying information to defend your statements.

 
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Post by Sunny Boy » Tue. Nov. 22, 2022 7:04 pm

gaw wrote:
Tue. Nov. 22, 2022 6:26 pm
Same people that bitch about the size and weight of big SUVs are quiet about the weight of EVs. The model x is over 5,000 lbs and the other Teslas are around 4,000 lbs and above. The GMC Hummer pickup is over 9,000 lbs. If you know about traditional vehicles and their weights you will see how crazy these weights are. That's a lot of kinetic energy rolling down the road in a small package. Are heavier vehicles harder on the roads? Not if they are electric, hell they don't even have to pay taxes to maintain the roads.
What they also leave out is the increased expense of tires for those heavy EVs. I used a one-ton van for about 10 years and had to buy very expensive tires to take the weight and because of all that weight they did not last long. Bought a minivan that would carry 1200 lbs. The tires were half the cost and lasted twice as long.

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Post by BigBarney » Wed. Nov. 23, 2022 10:37 pm

I did watch his videos and there were many distortions of facts.

Batteries are still too heavy and the companies are working on that.

Trucks like the Hummer are a really bad example of good use of

resources and is thankfully made in small numbers.

We need more EV's with a 2-300 mile range that most people use.

We are only in the early part of the EV cycle and many more im-

provements are to come.

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Post by BigBarney » Wed. Nov. 23, 2022 11:06 pm

Here's the newest car delivered... A Tesla Model Y...

The blue Model 3 is on the right...

My wife has a Chevy Bolt Ev...We are going to be all EV...

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Post by Retro_Origin » Thu. Nov. 24, 2022 7:41 am

BigBarney wrote:
Wed. Nov. 23, 2022 10:37 pm

We need more EV's with a 2-300 mile range that most people use.

We are only in the early part of the EV cycle and many more im-

provements are to come.

BigBarney
So we should all buy into an immature still improving market?
We should jump off the cruise ship into the lifeboats that uncle joe is busy duct taping all the holes shut? Just like cryptocurrency, buy now ask questions later?

 
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Post by Sunny Boy » Thu. Nov. 24, 2022 8:37 am

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Tue. Nov. 22, 2022 6:58 pm
Big Barney for being so convinced about all this stuff you sure don't seem to mind leaving us in the dark by not responding to our inquiries, nor supplying information to defend your statements.
Like many of the EV faithful, he still dances around anything to do with the grid not being able to handle the increased load of his "future".

And never an answer to how to live with EV's in areas that have a history of brownouts or rolling blackouts,.... or what to do about power outages when everyone is scrambling for fossil fuel power.

I've lived through several long hurricane and winter storm power outages and the one thing that could be relied on was ICE vehicles. Imagine what it would be like if they relied on EV vehicles to get the power back on.

And the EV faithful ignore the fact that, mostly because of increasing grid problems, fossil fueled generator sales have been strong for many years.

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Post by Black_And_Blue » Thu. Nov. 24, 2022 8:42 am

EV's are only viable when subsidized, in a free market they fail.

However, we don't live in a free market, we live under a kleptocracy.

 
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Post by waytomany?s » Thu. Nov. 24, 2022 8:57 am

BigBarney wrote:
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John Stossell is full of BS ... He has no knowledge of facts...

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What about Mark Mills? The guy from Manhattan Institute.

 
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Post by gaw » Thu. Nov. 24, 2022 11:43 am

If an EV makes sense for you then buy one but don't ask me to help pay for it through tax breaks, it's bad enough I'm paying for the roads they are driving on.

This is where I take exception with Tony Seba and his Great Transformation. He uses the iPhone as an example of technology that transformed society and thinks renewable energy and EVs and the like are equal. EVs and renewable energy is highly subsidized and still struggling to take hold. The iPhone didn't need to be subsidized, people wanted it without being told they had to get it.

 
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Post by gaw » Thu. Nov. 24, 2022 11:52 am

Sunny Boy wrote:
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And the EV faithful ignore the fact that, mostly because of increasing grid problems, fossil fueled generator sales have been strong for many years.

Paul
Standby generators, the larger industrial type have become ubiquitous in the last twenty years. Look behind any commercial building and you will see it. The cold storage warehouse I work from has huge generators parked on the premises just in case. Generators built on a semi-trailer. Maybe they are getting ready for The Great Transformation.


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