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And when they get to 0 % battery left, enjoy the uphill climbs even more.snuffy wrote: ↑Tue. Mar. 28, 2023 6:28 pmAs a e-bike battery charge gets to about 50% depleted on each charge cycle there is less electron torque available so even small hills require pedaling - going down hill is a breeze!
I did see an online ad for a Jeep e-bike supposedly having 1500 watt motor but at 70lbs that about half my weight.
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What happens in 6 months to a year when automakers realize there s no way to ramp up in the near future and source all the metals needed for batteries 700 to 7000% . Instead of lots full of cars waiting for Chips they will be waiting for batteries.
"IEA: Mineral supplies for electric cars ‘must increase 30-fold’ to meet climate goals"
https://www.carbonbrief.org/iea-mineral-supplies- ... ate-goals/
"IEA: Mineral supplies for electric cars ‘must increase 30-fold’ to meet climate goals"
https://www.carbonbrief.org/iea-mineral-supplies- ... ate-goals/
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I wonder if the "30 fold" increase in fossil fuel needed to make those batteries is figured in their "climate-goals" ?k-2 wrote: ↑Wed. Mar. 29, 2023 2:23 pmWhat happens in 6 months to a year when automakers realize there s no way to ramp up in the near future and source all the metals needed for batteries 700 to 7000% . Instead of lots full of cars waiting for Chips they will be waiting for batteries.
"IEA: Mineral supplies for electric cars ‘must increase 30-fold’ to meet climate goals"
https://www.carbonbrief.org/iea-mineral-supplies- ... ate-goals/
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It seems only Toyota has thought this through,. The others will have thought it through after they spend a few billion on R&D but nothing on Material and Supply projection. A few Billion too late.
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2022 Sales for Toyota... Down 10.2%...
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/toyota-m ... 20Jan.,DSR)%20basis%20compared%20to%202021.
Prius down 37.4%.... Camry down 5.9%.. Corolla down 10.8%...
They have dismal future... With only ICE vehicles...
Wait for 2023 down even more...
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2022 Sales for Toyota... Down 10.2%...
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/toyota-m ... 20Jan.,DSR)%20basis%20compared%20to%202021.
Prius down 37.4%.... Camry down 5.9%.. Corolla down 10.8%...
They have dismal future... With only ICE vehicles...
Wait for 2023 down even more...
BigBarney
Here is the comparison of popular cars... Much lower than 35KWHr per 100 miles...
Except the ICE are very inefficient... Check it out ... With facts not guesses...
https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=sb ... 2&id=45751
1.9 gallons = 63.5 2.1 = 70.2 KWHr per 100 miles ...
Read it and weep ... Compared to some at < 24 ... go almost 3x as far on the same energy...
BigBarmey
Except the ICE are very inefficient... Check it out ... With facts not guesses...
https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=sb ... 2&id=45751
1.9 gallons = 63.5 2.1 = 70.2 KWHr per 100 miles ...
Read it and weep ... Compared to some at < 24 ... go almost 3x as far on the same energy...
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Whats the likely hood of you buying an ICE car or truck and knowing you have to replace the engine once or twice at $5000 to $20,000 in the life of the vehicle., Which is why i never bought a Kia or Hyundai. Many of these EVs will just get junked rather than fixed. I love the concept but i dont think the numbers work just yet. Every time you figure in battery replacement it changes everything. Sure if you pretend it will never happen the numbers work.
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I had a battery die in a hybrid car, a 2001 Honda Insight. So they don't last forever for sure. Cost me $500 to get new one and installed. Got about 125K miles out of it. The car still ran even w/o the hybrid battery being functional. For 100% battery powered cars...one battery is DOA the car's a brick.k-2 wrote: ↑Thu. Mar. 30, 2023 10:23 amWhats the likely hood of you buying an ICE car or truck and knowing you have to replace the engine once or twice at $5000 to $20,000 in the life of the vehicle., Which is why i never bought a Kia or Hyundai. Many of these EVs will just get junked rather than fixed. I love the concept but i dont think the numbers work just yet. Every time you figure in battery replacement it changes everything. Sure if you pretend it will never happen the numbers work.
Over the 200K miles I had the car, I figured I saved $6000 in fuel costs. And I sold it for 5K. Original cost $15K. So it was a good car. Powerful 0.9 L engine w/o battery assist was slow to accelerate; with battery assist it was quick.
I also had a Nissan hybrid Altima. This one saved me 3K. Because emissions were Calf. warranty due to the hybrid model. Catalytic converter crapped out at 90K. Reg warranty was 70K miles, Calf. was 100K. The car was covered under Calf warranty regardless of where sold. So, while having nothing to do with battery assist part, having the hybrid model saved me 3K in cat. converter replacement costs.
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The cradle to grave numbers do look better for hybrids than for total BEVs. Im not against Evs at all,just thinking out loud and covering the bases. Still considering some version of one in the future ,probably a hybrid similar to a Rav 4 hybrid by some Mfg other than Toyota.davidmcbeth3 wrote: ↑Thu. Mar. 30, 2023 5:19 pmI had a battery die in a hybrid car, a 2001 Honda Insight. So they don't last forever for sure. Cost me $500 to get new one and installed. Got about 125K miles out of it. The car still ran even w/o the hybrid battery being functional. For 100% battery powered cars...one battery is DOA the car's a brick.
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Why other than Toyota?k-2 wrote: ↑Thu. Mar. 30, 2023 11:21 pmThe cradle to grave numbers do look better for hybrids than for total BEVs. Im not against Evs at all,just thinking out loud and covering the bases. Still considering some version of one in the future ,probably a hybrid similar to a Rav 4 hybrid by some Mfg other than Toyota.
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I had a 1999 tacoma in 2004 and had a dozen issues in a single year. Even when it wasnt breaking down you couldnt haul more than 200lbs in it as the rear springs were so weak. And the there the body rust and frame rust. And crappy mpg to boot. Plus cost of parts was a lot higher than any other brand i ever had. By far the worst truck experience of a lifetime. Swore id never touch another toyota product.
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We all have stories like this. I currently own 2 Toyotas and have had nothing but the best of luck with the products, and like you, I had 2 absolute lemon Chrysler (Dodge) products and will never own another. On top of that, I had a few Dodge stuff as rental cars when I was travelling all the time and I refused to rent them, and Mustangs. The Mustangs were because of the seat and leg position and it was uncomfortable for me..k-2 wrote: ↑Fri. Mar. 31, 2023 10:57 amI had a 1999 tacoma in 2004 and had a dozen issues in a single year. Even when it wasnt breaking down you couldnt haul more than 200lbs in it as the rear springs were so weak. And the there the body rust and frame rust. And crappy mpg to boot. Plus cost of parts was a lot higher than any other brand i ever had. By far the worst truck experience of a lifetime. Swore id never touch another toyota product.
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Im not completely ruling out another toyota but a lot if issues with the tacoma was poor design. And the high cost of parts because they all need parts from time to time. I have 4 GM products right now ,one of them since the 90s.I rarely need any parts and when i do they are easily available and reasonably priced. Had a dodge van for about 20 years, very little ever went wrong with it but i didnt feel it was capable of going 200000 miles without a major repair as my GM products have since the 80s. Thats a long track record.Paper wrote: ↑Fri. Mar. 31, 2023 11:11 amWe all have stories like this. I currently own 2 Toyotas and have had nothing but the best of luck with the products, and like you, I had 2 absolute lemon Chrysler (Dodge) products and will never own another. On top of that, I had a few Dodge stuff as rental cars when I was travelling all the time and I refused to rent them, and Mustangs. The Mustangs were because of the seat and leg position and it was uncomfortable for me..