Will I buy a Tesla

davidmcbeth3 wrote: ↑

Tue. May. 16, 2023 12:00 am

https://www.nyserda.ny.gov/Researchers-and-Policy ... esidential

5 cents per kwh for electricity generation ? I dunno.. AVG is 23 or so per NY website...looking at a different line on your bill?

Only two lines on my utility bill for power. The fixed rate KWH charge for the Village ($0.035) and the "purchased power" charge (.$0.015) for additional power over our hydro power allotment contract. Together they equal 5 cents KWH. I don't care if you don't believe me. You're the one stuck with the high rate.

You Google foo is lacking. What that link does not say is,...
There are 42 communities in NYS that have their own power company, or are a co-op, and they have very low rates much below the State average.

My village has its own electric department and contracts directly with the power supplier without all the middleman and environment BS add-ons I see listed on others bill. My Daughter lives 15 miles NW of here in the Lebanon NY area and that is one of the co-ops that has low rates. Low enough that she had all electric heat installed when she had her house built 12 years ago. She only supplements it with a small wood stove I gave her because she gets free wood from occasional logging on her 15 acers of property.

Paul

Hyrdo is the reason why and the fact that the town manages it to get to that 5 cent/kwh rate. Best of both worlds.

Lowest non-town hydro rate I've seen is 7 cents from private companies.

EV's handicapping the handicapped.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2023/05/how_ ... abled.html

Paul

Sunny Boy wrote: ↑

Wed. May. 24, 2023 7:44 am

EV's handicapping the handicapped.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2023/05/how_ ... abled.html

Paul

ICE vehicles break down too..so the argument stated in the article is not a very good one.

And stating that electric wheel chairs fail in the cold would mean that when a EV car reaches this state it would not be relevant as their chair could not operate either.

A piece noting how EV cars may affect the handicapped is not a winning argument beyond other anti-EV arguments.

The heaver EVs may have to pay more for road use than ICE cars.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/pothole-damage-electri ... 38483.html

Paul

The Germans ripping out "green energy" to reopen a coal mine, now the Brits are having pothole problems from using EVs. Getting rid of fossil fuels does not looking like much of a "future".

https://www.yahoo.com/news/time-slam-brakes-elect ... 00841.html

Paul

Sunny Boy wrote: ↑

Tue. Jun. 27, 2023 4:46 pm

The heaver EVs may have to pay more for road use than ICE cars.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/pothole-damage-electri ... 38483.html

Paul

My Volt weighs 500 more lbs than an Escort and is slightly larger than the Escort.

I have no clue if road damage caused by vehicles is a linear relationship with weight or if any general formula or principle of that sort applies for passenger vehicles. I think we just assume it does. Yet science does not assume anything.

And the quality of roads is a factor to consider...roads made by the Romans are still in use last I looked..a testament to the quality workmanship back then. Today, contractors rip the public off many times with them greasing the politicians palms.

Just another yahoo article devoid of actual facts and data...useless as anything more than peaking a readers interest in the subject matter & leaving such a reader with zero help in seeing actual data.

Hail Caesar

EDIT

Following the links in the yahoo article, I found that the weight of a vehicle and damage caused is based on the concept of "the 4th formula"...this is summarized:

The analysis uses the “fourth power formula”, which is widely used by highways engineers and researchers to assess the damage caused to road surfaces by heavier vehicles. It means that if weight on a vehicle's axle is doubled, it does 16 times the damage to the road.

So, in the case of my Volt v. Escort ... Volt is 4500 lbs, Escort 4000 lbs

https://www.insidescience.org/news/how-much-damag ... -our-roads

The formula shown above is (w1/w2)^4 from the linked article

(4500/4000)^4 for Volt-Escort examination .... (1.125)^4 = 1.6 or 160% more damage.

Based on a study from the 60's .... which likely is wildly off now.

And, of course, they are looking to grab $$$ due to extra damage from heavier passenger vehicles -- and I have not found out the actual $$/mile damage an Escort does...perhaps its $0.0000001. Making the idea of taxing a slightly higher weight vehicle just a money grab.

PA is proposing a mileage tax equivalent to 4 times the gas tax . Equal to over $2 a gallon. Not surprised. Tax and spenders and the borrow and spenders are joining forces.

k-2 wrote: ↑

Wed. Jun. 28, 2023 10:43 am

PA is proposing a mileage tax equivalent to 4 times the gas tax . Equal to over $2 a gallon. Not surprised. Tax and spenders and the borrow and spenders are joining forces.

The state of Maine will take the registration of any car...they don't care where its actually at.

Just a FYI .. it would likely be a 100% tax avoiding "scam". But if Hunter can deduct hookers and crack....

davidmcbeth3 wrote: ↑

Wed. Jun. 28, 2023 10:28 am

My Volt weighs 500 more lbs than an Escort and is slightly larger than the Escort.

I have no clue if road damage caused by vehicles is a linear relationship with weight or if any general formula or principle of that sort applies for passenger vehicles. I think we just assume it does. Yet science does not assume anything.

And the quality of roads is a factor to consider...roads made by the Romans are still in use last I looked..a testament to the quality workmanship back then. Today, contractors rip the public off many times with them greasing the politicians palms.

Just another yahoo article devoid of actual facts and data...useless as anything more than peaking a readers interest in the subject matter & leaving such a reader with zero help in seeing actual data.

Hail Caesar

So, post the data instead of always blowing off You Tube videos.

I can just as easily blow off stating 500 pound difference as that doesn't mean anything. What are the differences in your 500 extra pound EV's tire foot print ground pressure, tire construction, and air pressure ? Are the heavier EV using proportionately wider tires to equal the ground pressure of an ICE vehicle?

And 500 pounds is a lot less than I've heard the average EV weights more than a comparable ICEV.

Paul

This could be DM & BB? Asking for a friend.
https://youtube.com/shorts/QGjTdmBoqhs?feature=share

gaw wrote: ↑

Wed. Jun. 28, 2023 2:45 pm

This could be DM & BB? Asking for a friend.
https://youtube.com/shorts/QGjTdmBoqhs?feature=share

I did post an edit ... Seems like I was editing while SunnyBoy was replying to the original. It happens.

Perhaps SunnyBoy will post back with data about actual damage cost that I could not find and noted in my edited post.

My Volt while idling :

nut wrote: ↑

Wed. Jun. 28, 2023 5:04 pm

If you are going to worry about weight, how about all the huge pickups and suvs on the road? I drive a compact. There has been a lot of up sizing since the last gas crisis.

Thats addressed by the registration. 1 ton trucks pay $200+ a year and the also eat lots of gas thats taxed.