Will I buy a Tesla

Post by **coaledsweat** » Tue. May. 31, 2022 4:29 pm

Barney, you're lost. My comment was about gasoline and diesel, not lubricating oils. In a 42 gallon barrel you'll get about 20 gallons of gas and maybe 11 gallons of diesel. Playing with the tower or additives isn't going to change those numbers. When all they are making from crude is plastic for your miracle EVs, there's going to be an awful lot of waste gas and diesel. What do you think they can do with that? Pour it in the river? Burn it off?

BigBarney · Post by **BigBarney** » Wed. Jun. 01, 2022 3:28 pm

You don't understand the refining process , the distillation unit supplies the feedstock

for all distillate products , and can be reformed to any petro chemical. They do not come

out as finished products they need more processing.

https://www.valero.com/refining/oil-refining/refi ... ce-process

http://www.setlab.com/resources/refining/refining ... perations/

You seem to think crude in and gasoline out thats not how it works , many more processes

are needed to make a usable fuel either gasoline or diesel, this is where the combining and

cracking are done to make a finished product.

There is very little waste by using all the components. If anyone would build a refinery today

they would have a $5+ billion cost which could not be justified, and it would take 10+ years.

This is the same problem with chips for cars you can't magically come up with a plant and have

the people to operate it ,it is a long time from plans to plant , but politicians have no idea of what

is involved.

BigBarney

Post by **coaledsweat** » Wed. Jun. 01, 2022 3:57 pm

You should probably read and watch your links.

k-2 · Post by **k-2** » Wed. Jun. 01, 2022 4:39 pm

My electric rates for Central PA just jumped 25% again after jumping 20% last Dec .Compared to 1 yr ago they are up over 100%. So much for that 8 % inflation rate. Driving Electric just got more expensive.

Paper · Post by **Paper** » Wed. Jun. 01, 2022 4:44 pm

I'm sitting on my patio I'm Wyoming.. Bluetooth speaker playing, Pellet smoker running all day with a pork butt, and I'm proud to say it's all being powered by coal.

k-2 · Post by **k-2** » Wed. Jun. 01, 2022 4:54 pm

Paper wrote: ↑
Wed. Jun. 01, 2022 4:44 pm
I'm sitting on my patio I'm Wyoming.. Bluetooth speaker playing, Pellet smoker running all day with a pork butt, and I'm proud to say it's all being powered by coal.

At least we dont have to import coal.

Paper · Post by **Paper** » Wed. Jun. 01, 2022 5:25 pm

Absolutely!! Saw numerous trains full of it heading east while driving west on US 20.
Pretty sure one of those carloads would last me the rest of my life.

k-2 · Post by **k-2** » Wed. Jun. 01, 2022 5:47 pm

Paper wrote: ↑
Wed. Jun. 01, 2022 5:25 pm
Absolutely!! Saw numerous trains full of it heading east while driving west on US 20.
Pretty sure one of those carloads would last me the rest of my life.

Is that soft coal in Wyoming.?

Paper · Post by **Paper** » Wed. Jun. 01, 2022 5:51 pm

I'm a coal rookie and will let someone else pipe in. I'm here for the fun and education!!

warminmn · Post by **warminmn** » Wed. Jun. 01, 2022 6:20 pm

Likely its sub bit. The air in many western states is clean enough where they can burn about anything for electric power. ND its lignite. Im not sure how many coal plants are left in MN but I think they used Wyoming coal. Most of the city plants have switched to NG here. Our air being clean is why we dont have to test our cars for pollution either and i hope we never do.

Sunny Boy · Post by **Sunny Boy** » Mon. Jul. 18, 2022 9:36 am

2013 Tesla for sale. Only 75,900 miles on it and $22,000 two years ago FOR THE NEW BATTERY IT NEEDED.

https://denver.craigslist.org/cto/d/denver-tesla- ... 28916.html

Replacing the battery was more than the cost to buy the used vehicle.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/florida-fa ... re-vehicle

Then there's the problem of servicing EVs and the higher costs to do that is reducing the selection of where to get service/repair that is less expensive than the dealerships.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/electric-car- ... t-serviced

What happened to the rest of the "million miles" we're told an EV can go ?

A very expensive way to "save money on gas".

Paul

gaw · Post by **gaw** » Mon. Jul. 18, 2022 10:29 pm

Don't buy the Tesla with the self parking feature until they work all the bugs out.
https://www.wftv.com/news/local/2-die-when-tesla- ... L2OFSVIPM/

k-2 · Post by **k-2** » Tue. Jul. 19, 2022 9:44 am

gaw wrote: ↑
Mon. Jul. 18, 2022 10:29 pm
Don't buy the Tesla with the self parking feature until they work all the bugs out.
https://www.wftv.com/news/local/2-die-when-tesla- ... L2OFSVIPM/

I wont be buying anything that requires dealer only service at $200 an hour . And the nearest dealer is 4 hours drive. If an electric is ever parked in my garage it will most likely be a GM product. Have had great reliability with GM from my 1st one in the 70s until the 4 we have now. 2 trucks 2 cars.

Freddy · Post by **Freddy** » Tue. Jul. 19, 2022 10:05 am

BigBarney wrote: "There will be no leftover fuel it can either not be refined or can be used in other products."

I don't believe that's correct. A 42 gallon barrel of oil makes approximately 19 gallons of gasoline, 10 gallons of diesel and 4 gallons of jet fuel (Kerosene). The rest goes to finer liquids, heat, and plastics. I understand through chemistry they can change that a tiny bit, but not much. So.... if ALL cars become electric..... what happens to all the gasoline?

Post by **coaledsweat** » Tue. Jul. 19, 2022 12:00 pm

They'll do what Rockefeller did at Standard Oil when all they wanted was kerosene and the ICE wasn't invented yet. They'll pour it in the rivers.