Dealership Stupidity
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I guess you havn't heard about trying to get service for your Tesla....Dealers suck, but they have to service the vehicle. Even if badly. Electric still sucks BB.
Kevin
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I don't believe we need laws requiring them but understand the benefits of buying something from a dealership. More importantly understand the risks. If you are 4000K miles from home and something happens to your vehicle you can take it to any dealership. They are required to fix your car.
This is going to be even more important for Tesla's because other options are going to be slim to none. Tesla will only be targeting larger markets for service centers.
This is going to be even more important for Tesla's because other options are going to be slim to none. Tesla will only be targeting larger markets for service centers.
With EV's the ability to diagnosis a problem remotely and send a tech to do
the repair is a key to the strategy.
Of course the mechanical failure has to be taken to a repair center to be done.
Tesla could build the facilities or go with the model of the appliance companies
and go with service companies to do the repairs.
You have to remember that EV's have very few maintenance points in their life
so many can go 100,000+ miles before they need service,except for wear items.
BigBarney
the repair is a key to the strategy.
Of course the mechanical failure has to be taken to a repair center to be done.
Tesla could build the facilities or go with the model of the appliance companies
and go with service companies to do the repairs.
You have to remember that EV's have very few maintenance points in their life
so many can go 100,000+ miles before they need service,except for wear items.
BigBarney
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That makes me feel better on a back road in Maine, 100 miles from a tar road....and a Tesla station in Boston....... Pipe dreaming again. If self diagnosing was so awesome, they would not go into self destruct mode so often and catch fire.....
Kevin
Kevin
KLOOK:
You need to have facts not imagination...
In 2019, there were around 189,500 highway vehicle fires reported in the United States. This is a slight increase form the previous year, where there were 181,500 highway vehicle fires reported.Jan 15, 2021
Here are facts from a agency that collects the data , not guesses.
https://www.nfpa.org/-/media/Files/News-and-Resea ... efires.pdf
Figure 9 shows that mechanical failures or malfunctions were the
leading factors in all types of vehicle fires, followed by electrical
failures or malfunctions. These fires were much less likely to be
fatal than fires resulting from collisions.
From a law firm injury specialist..
https://www.allenandallen.com/are-electric-cars-s ... ollisions/
In all, NHTSA concluded that the likelihood of passenger injuries in crashes involving electric vehicles is actually slightly lower, meaning that they are safer to passengers, than those involving vehicles with gasoline and diesel engines. However, the overall cost of collision repairs and replacements of electric vehicles averaged far higher than their petroleum-powered counterparts.
When is the last time you heard of an EV fire???
BigBarney
You need to have facts not imagination...
In 2019, there were around 189,500 highway vehicle fires reported in the United States. This is a slight increase form the previous year, where there were 181,500 highway vehicle fires reported.Jan 15, 2021
Here are facts from a agency that collects the data , not guesses.
https://www.nfpa.org/-/media/Files/News-and-Resea ... efires.pdf
Figure 9 shows that mechanical failures or malfunctions were the
leading factors in all types of vehicle fires, followed by electrical
failures or malfunctions. These fires were much less likely to be
fatal than fires resulting from collisions.
From a law firm injury specialist..
https://www.allenandallen.com/are-electric-cars-s ... ollisions/
In all, NHTSA concluded that the likelihood of passenger injuries in crashes involving electric vehicles is actually slightly lower, meaning that they are safer to passengers, than those involving vehicles with gasoline and diesel engines. However, the overall cost of collision repairs and replacements of electric vehicles averaged far higher than their petroleum-powered counterparts.
When is the last time you heard of an EV fire???
BigBarney
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About a month ago one went up in awesome smoke in Japan I think. Or was that the accident when it ran into something while driving itself. Can't keep track and you certainly cant be trusted to report the truth.
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And they can't put the fires out, and when they do they keep restarting.
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Locally - two years ago.
https://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/story/news/lo ... 026364002/
The fire was so intense there was nothing anyone could do.
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Yeah, pay a lot to drive a short-range two ton road flare.
Paul
Paul
Gas cars 11x more fire risk.... 150,000 per year....
https://www.consumernotice.org/personal-injury/ve ... cle-fires/
Two in PA car carriers in one week...
https://dailyvoice.com/pennsylvania/northampton/p ... re/809014/
https://www.lehighvalleylive.com/news/2021/06/qui ... ghway.html
BigBarney
https://www.consumernotice.org/personal-injury/ve ... cle-fires/
Two in PA car carriers in one week...
https://dailyvoice.com/pennsylvania/northampton/p ... re/809014/
https://www.lehighvalleylive.com/news/2021/06/qui ... ghway.html
BigBarney
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That's what Tesla says, it may or may not be accurate. The two big issues with this data is small sample size and time. Electric still makes up small percentage and you don't have a lot 20+ years electric vehicles running around yet. It's going to be awhile before an accurate assessment can be made.
You always need to be careful with any stats, the first question I always ask myself is what can cause this to be misleading. For example large sedans have the lowest rates of fatalities per million miles. Some people would intermediately assume is the size and weight of the vehicle which is a factor but it's also less likely to roll over and more likely to be an older mature driver. There is multiple factors in play.
Once you have a significant sample size of electric If you were going to make real accurate assessment you could limit it to the first ten years and see how many fires you have per million miles driven for each type. The issue with longer term becomes is I just changed a gas line on 25 year old truck a few years ago along with the brake lines and some other stuff. There is lot of trucks out there just like it with gas lines that need changing.