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Post by BigBarney » Tue. Jul. 07, 2020 9:57 am

Why buy the old dinosaurs ????

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/fords-new-escap ... 2020-07-07

https://media.ford.com/content/fordmedia/fna/us/e ... ybrid.html

Why not throw out the petrol drivetrain and make it all electric with over 100+mpge

range , by eliminating the engine and transmission? Come on Ford get on with the future

why drag your butt?

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Post by Sunny Boy » Tue. Jul. 07, 2020 10:04 am

Why bother ?

On a recent trip in Melissa's new 2020 Ford Escape with the 4 cyl Eco-boost engine, I was averaging 60 mpg cruising on level highways. Took less than ten minutes to gas up and we were good for another 500 miles. And whenever I need to pass another car it had plenty of power.

And it's still a lot lighter than an all electric, so less wear on tires, etc.

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Post by BigBarney » Tue. Jul. 07, 2020 10:26 am

How often do you drive a trip of 200+ miles most people drive <45 miles per day.

How did you calculate mileage? Per Ford 44/37 mpg . Show verified evidence.

https://www.ford.com/suvs-crossovers/escape/?gcli ... 2Becoboost

Here's a list of high mpg vehicles notice most are all hybrids which have a very low range

at the high mpg . Don't see a Ford Escape.

https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/rankings/hybrid-cars

https://www.motortrend.com/news/longest-range-ele ... -distance/

Now the best...

https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/bymodel/2019_Tesl ... el_3.shtml


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Post by franco b » Tue. Jul. 07, 2020 11:52 am

There are two elephants in the room.

One is how to generate enough electricity to replace oil.

The other is long term reliability of battery and electric motor of electric cars.

 
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Post by Sunny Boy » Tue. Jul. 07, 2020 12:28 pm

This isn't the city. Like many around here, Melissa drives about 100 miles per day just to get to and from work. It's well over 100 miles to go from one of our houses to the other - one way.

The MPG ratings you find are what the average driver can get with a lead foot in average traffic conditions.

Those EPA mileage numbers are closer to worst case drivers. I've always been able to get more than they say, including going back to the early 70's when they said my V-8 Javelin would only get 18 MPG highway. I always got 22 MPG highway - and after race prepping the engine for weekend Gymkhana racing, it got a measured 24.4 driving up from LI to Hunter mountain. From decades of driving with a vacuum gauge in my cars I've leaned how to drive without wasting gas like most drivers. So, I've always been able to get much better gas mileage than the ratings found on line. The MPG I quoted was from the dash computer readout, which the MPG for long trips we've checked against actually filling the tank. Melissa is fanatical about keeping a log book for everything to do with her cars, including, not just the mileage and gallons to a tenth, but the price per gallon to the penny every time she stops to get gas, or has any work done on the cars.

With this new Escape, Melissa only has to gas up once a week. With her 2011 Escape (small 6 cyl), it was three times a week for the same driving. Go to your local Ford dealer and test drive one and see how well you can do. I think you'll find you can do better on the highway than 33 after about 20 minutes and the drive train has reached thermal saturation.

BTW, from reports by actual owners who are not paid, your electric vehicles don't get the mileage claimed for them. And then there's Winter where they really take a hit more than the cold effects gas engines.

Then there's, .....
While waiting for Melissa I sat in the Escape in the Wilton (Saratoga Springs) Super Market parking lot and watched people jockey for the few parking spaces to charge their EV cars. Took them longer to hook up, pay by phone app, and unhook later, than it takes me to fill the gas tank. And how much did they gain in the few minutes it took them to do their shopping ? That'd be like my stopping at a gas station and going through all that just to only put in a gallon of gas to get me to the next gas station. If you think that's great, then guess again. Here's a hint how well that life style is liked - have EV sales broken out of that less than 2% market share yet ?

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Post by KLook » Tue. Jul. 07, 2020 3:20 pm

Way to many facts in that post Paul, Barney only deals in Baloney.

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Post by BigBarney » Tue. Jul. 07, 2020 5:03 pm

Ask people who own them to get true figures of their mileage.

Our Chevy Bolt routinely get 4-4.5 miles per g/e,with our off peak

electric @ ~5₵ per kwhr,so about 1Cent /mile.

We charge the car each night at 11:00 pm to 7:00 pm at the lower

rate.

You can drive this EV every day at 100+ miles with only over night

charging. When charging at 240v you get about 28 miles per hour

while you sleep,so in 8 hours you could get 224 miles each night and

never need to charge anywhere else.

We deal only in NO BULL and not opinion without facts.

Petrol vehicles can only get 20-25 % of the fuels energy to the wheels

with all the drive train loses of the transmission, radiator,and drive axle,

80% of the energy is wasted as heat , electrics can achieve 88-96%.

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Post by johnjoseph » Tue. Jul. 07, 2020 5:23 pm

Great info. Barney. The purchase expense would be a turnoff for me. The other issue is performance in winter, with temps below zero and varying road conditions like salt, slush, heavy wet snow, etc. Mind you this is 5.5 months out of the year with varying conditions. As someone else mentioned, how long do engines and batteries last?

 
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Post by Richard S. » Tue. Jul. 07, 2020 6:45 pm

BigBarney wrote:
Tue. Jul. 07, 2020 10:26 am
How often do you drive a trip of 200+ miles most people drive <45 miles per day.
If you are going to buy one vehicle and want to do that once with your own vehicle your decision has been made. If you don't have that need or are willing to forgo it so be it. As second vehicle it might be useful but I have second vehicle... it's called a pickup and much more useful to me.

 
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Post by WNY » Tue. Jul. 07, 2020 7:49 pm

our 2012 escape 4 Cyl would get around 24-27 mpg typically. haven't tried the ecoboost ones at all. We just traded it for a 2018 Jeep renegade (9 speed auto) and it's getting 26-30mpg approx on a few trips. can't complain, picked it up used with only 5200 miles.
My Ford Cmax Hybrid is averaging around 37+, highest was 46mpg on a long trip, fairly flat. Fun little car.

 
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Post by freetown fred » Tue. Jul. 07, 2020 8:05 pm

When ever I look at those electric thinggys, I try & gauge how many bales of hay they'll take--YEP, still got my dinosaur Chev. pick-up & real happy with her--

 
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Post by Richard S. » Tue. Jul. 07, 2020 8:09 pm

There was post on here soemwhere someone had Prius all loaded down with coal.

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Post by johnjoseph » Tue. Jul. 07, 2020 8:22 pm

freetown fred wrote:
Tue. Jul. 07, 2020 8:05 pm
When ever I look at those electric thinggys, I try & gauge how many bales of hay they'll take--YEP, still got my dinosaur Chev. pick-up & real happy with her--
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Post by wilder11354 » Tue. Jul. 07, 2020 8:25 pm

i will still keep trolling with my diesel VW. Solid car, MPG local now in heat wave...... 43+mpg, local, highway if i set cruise at 64MPH jumps to 50 +range. Best miles to one tank of fuel...720 miles.

 
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Post by KLook » Tue. Jul. 07, 2020 8:32 pm

And I will keep driving my Hemi, within the range BB mentions, but I carry a load on many days and tow a 14 ft trailer....Ain't got no time for the charging when the batteries get worn a little, and where is a charging station?

Kevin

Forgot to mention I have a 1/2 ton......if I had BB's electric I would need a 1 ton just to haul a loaf of bread. Electric reduces payload according to gross vehicle weight.


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