Honda reveals the amazing Fluoride battery

lsayre · Post by **lsayre** » Fri. Dec. 07, 2018 6:46 am

Potentially 10 times the storage capacity of lithium ion, and none of the heat and fire concerns. This looks like it could be the game changer that will tilt the scales for electric vehicles, and it should dominate in solar storage as well. Will Honda become the worlds leader in EV's? Will they license this technology to Tesla?

https://www.slashgear.com/honda-reveals-fluoride- ... -06557121/

tsb · Post by **tsb** » Fri. Dec. 07, 2018 7:01 am

May one day is the phrase used.

KingCoal · Post by **KingCoal** » Fri. Dec. 07, 2018 7:18 am

requires temps above 302 F...... why is this even being discussed with any seriousness at all ?

what is going to be used to power the preheater for them, at what cost and penalty ( weight, range etc ) ? it's like talking about no cost perpetual motion mechanisms. you are going to have to produce the environment for them to work, segregate that heat from surroundings and bleed it off as waste. i just don't get it.

these might be good in technical installations other than passenger vehicles i guess.

lsayre · Post by **lsayre** » Fri. Dec. 07, 2018 7:20 am

KingCoal wrote: ↑
Fri. Dec. 07, 2018 7:18 am
requires temps above 302 F...... why is this even being discussed with any seriousness at all ?

That was true until Honda figured out how to make it work at room temperature.

tsb · Post by **tsb** » Fri. Dec. 07, 2018 7:53 am

My car and your car are not "at room temperature" this morning.

Sunny Boy · Post by **Sunny Boy** » Fri. Dec. 07, 2018 8:23 am

lsayre wrote: ↑
Fri. Dec. 07, 2018 7:20 am
That was true until Honda figured out how to make it work at room temperature.

To get them hot enough to be up to operating temps, they glue them to a lithium battery.

Paul

samhill · Post by **samhill** » Fri. Dec. 07, 2018 8:25 am

It's coming despite what some here want to believe, perhaps we were misled to begin with by those producing ICE & big oil. Many of the earliest cars were electric along with much of early mass transit, where could that have gone if not abandoned? The WH experimented with solar until a change in power abandoned that as well, Ca. has now become the first State to mandate all new construction of homes to include solar. Not yet perfected but soon to be better & hopefully less expensive means of production & storage will come along relatively shortly, even some of the big producers are heading that way.

coalnewbie · Post by **coalnewbie** » Fri. Dec. 07, 2018 8:54 am

has now become the first State to mandate all new construction of homes to include solar.

CA is not the NE .. and with this push has the most expensive electricity in the nation. Industry is leaving that state at a rate of knots. Sam, solar is region appropriate for CA but not for us. Despite what some around here endlessly dream for it is not the tech for the future and never will be.

KingCoal · Post by **KingCoal** » Fri. Dec. 07, 2018 9:01 am

lsayre wrote: ↑
Fri. Dec. 07, 2018 7:20 am
That was true until Honda figured out how to make it work at room temperature.

ok i'm still watching.....................

warminmn · Post by **warminmn** » Fri. Dec. 07, 2018 9:15 am

It could be the 1st step of something good, or never work. Time will tell. I see NASA was involved and Im betting if its viable for them they will use it.

coalnewbie · Post by **coalnewbie** » Fri. Dec. 07, 2018 9:49 am

KingCoal wrote: ↑Fri. Dec. 07, 2018 7:18 am
requires temps above 302 F...... why is this even being discussed with any seriousness at all ?
That was true until Honda figured out how to make it work at room temperature.

Oh, you mean like superconductors discovered 70 years ago and operating near absolute zero. Endless experts predicting all we have to do is make it work at room temperature.... still waiting. So many dreams by people with zero common sense. Flying cars is another... another useless dream evident to anybody with pilot IFR training.

KingCoal · Post by **KingCoal** » Fri. Dec. 07, 2018 10:17 am

what ? no flying cars ??

soooo, you mean "the 5th element", "bladerunner" and the like aren't documentaries ???

i'm crushed just crushed

Sunny Boy · Post by **Sunny Boy** » Fri. Dec. 07, 2018 10:23 am

samhill wrote: ↑
Fri. Dec. 07, 2018 8:25 am
It's coming despite what some here want to believe, perhaps we were misled to begin with by those producing ICE & big oil. Many of the earliest cars were electric along with much of early mass transit, where could that have gone if not abandoned? The WH experimented with solar until a change in power abandoned that as well, Ca. has now become the first State to mandate all new construction of homes to include solar. Not yet perfected but soon to be better & hopefully less expensive means of production & storage will come along relatively shortly, even some of the big producers are heading that way.

Yes, some early cars were electric,... and some were steam powered. And some very early Fords were designed to run on alcohol. But like today, they all had very big limitations that gas and diesel did away with.
That's why gas/diesel power has been so widely accepted that it's dominated the world's transportation power choice for over 100 years.

And no it was not because a few big oil companies pushed out the competition and gave us no other choice. That's just revisionist history BS. In the early days of transportation there was far too much competition for any oil monopolies to push out electric or steam. Those power sources stayed on in many other fields well after the auto/truck industry had progressed to gas/diesel. It was competition driven innovation for what worked best that steered the auto/truck industry away from electric and steam.

Paul

KingCoal · Post by **KingCoal** » Fri. Dec. 07, 2018 10:36 am

doesn't it all boil down to capacity, range and simplicity ?

seems to me anything that can sustainably match the status quo on an even economic footing will get an opportunity to prove it's self. and let the chips fall as they may.

coalnewbie · Post by **coalnewbie** » Fri. Dec. 07, 2018 11:15 am

Like Wankel engines, Chryslers jet engine car, NG cars (Toyotas favorite), compressed air, water cars etc etc etc. However, as EVs are the left wing darlings for now (until they get bored) we can't just let every technology succeed or fail on it's own merit. This one has to be endlessly supported with mindless billions of our tax dollars. Any opposition means we are just supporting the oil giants and ending the planet with our opposition. Yep, sounds familiar.