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Post by BigBarney » Wed. Jun. 20, 2018 11:31 pm

https://www.theverge.com/2018/6/20/17482656/porsc ... investment

Gotta catch up somehow .... Petrol in rear view mirror...

http://www.rimac-automobili.com/en/supercars/c_two/

1900+ HP All Electric Maybe backbone for a new model ???

http://www.rimac-automobili.com/en/supercars/concept_one/

12,000 RPM Torque: 1600 Nm from 0 to 6500 rpm 1180 ft/#

And the technology they produce..

http://www.rimac-automobili.com/en/technology/

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Post by KLook » Thu. Jun. 21, 2018 8:08 am

Funny you mention this as I was just thinking about the RC car a young man just bought. Seems the power, rpm's, and fun is off the charts. Then you add in he is searching the region for parts suppliers because he uses it for a half hour and then has to fix it......Oh of course, there are "upgrades" to the stock parts....lol. Plus the battery lasts no time at all.....

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Post by Sunny Boy » Thu. Jun. 21, 2018 9:49 am

I wonder how they'll solve the problem of diminishing battery life with each use ? After 5-10 years will it be like having a gas powered car with a gas tank that is much smaller than when it was new ? So far that's what's happened to all my rechargeable battery powered stuff.

So, that "petrol in the rear view mirror" will likely be a the tow truck coming out to drag the electric cars into the nearest city with a charging station.

While your waiting, stuck on the side of a country road, you can watch all the gas and diesel powered farm equipment growing your food. ;)

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Post by BigBarney » Thu. Jun. 21, 2018 11:14 am

Mini excavator all electric..... $0.42 per hour (really $0.85) per hour cost

to operate , diesel $9.61 per hour cost.

https://www.greenmachineco.com/e240-electric-mini-excavator/

Here's your John Deere electric tractor...

https://www.agweb.com/blog/janzen-ag-law-blog/joh ... a-tractor/



I don't believe you can buy a large farm tractor that runs on gasoline way too expensive

to operate.

Future tractors....

Future trucks...



You can't hold back progress when your competitor is at your heels.

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Post by lsayre » Thu. Jun. 21, 2018 11:19 am

They are being "driven" by legislation that gives them no other choice other than to go electric or cease operations.

 
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Post by Sunny Boy » Thu. Jun. 21, 2018 12:22 pm

BigBarney wrote:
Thu. Jun. 21, 2018 11:14 am
Mini excavator all electric..... $0.42 per hour (really $0.85) per hour cost

to operate , diesel $9.61 per hour cost.

https://www.greenmachineco.com/e240-electric-mini-excavator/

Here's your John Deere electric tractor...

https://www.agweb.com/blog/janzen-ag-law-blog/joh ... a-tractor/



I don't believe you can buy a large farm tractor that runs on gasoline way too expensive

to operate.

Future tractors....

Future trucks...



You can't hold back progress when your competitor is at your heels.

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Believe it or not, there's still a lot of gas tractors in use on the medium to small farms, which make up the bulk of farms in the NE.

Call me when you see farms that have parked their gas and diesel tractors and have gone deeper into debt to "go all electric". Then see how that drives up the electric rates with increased demand.

Do you think the farmers haven't looked at what's the rate of return on switching every thing over to using a new electric tractor verses the one they already have and the infrastructure they've invested in on their property to support it ?

You may think of them as just farmers, but they are businessmen first, or they aren't famers for long !!! Many now - like one of my daughters - have four year college degrees in Ag business, which is more about business than it is about farming.

As I tried to tell you before, electric demand is so high here in CNY that there are no more reduced night-time rates. When I moved here 26 years ago, only the worst few months of winter did we go over the allotment and have to pay for higher "Purchased Power" rate from the grid power stations. Most of the year we got a credit on our electric bills for selling the surplus downstate. But, even with the push toward "Energy Star" appliances, the high electric demand caused by the computer age and rechargeable gadgets pretty much ended that. We're now over our local hydro allotment 12 months of the year, and also paying more per KWH. And at that, we're still less than half the KWH cost outside the village. I can't see many farmers spending a fortune just to save on fuel only to see electric rates go up even more.

They may be farmers, but I can tell you, they ain't "city-dumb" enough to jump on the latest and greatest trend just because it looks new and shinny. There's still plenty of farms around here where the oldest thing on the property is their still everyday working tractors.

Switching to things that create even more electric demand is just going to raise rates even more. But I guess you won't believe that until you see it happen. I did 30+ years ago on Long Island, and I've seen happening here since then.

But, in the meantime, keep on "plugging". When your EV runs out of power on our long country roads, we'll gladly come give you a tow, but we'll likely use a horse to pull ya, just for the fun of rubbing it in. :lol:

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Post by BigBarney » Thu. Jun. 21, 2018 12:38 pm

They are driven by a cost sensitive market where a savings of 10's of

thousands of dollars per unit in even basic electric vehicles.

In that backhoe example you have a ~90% cost savings and not

driven by any government programs .

These quieter alternatives will be mandated for use in large cities

when construction goes on 24/7 .

Tractor trailers get about `7 mpg now and the new Tesla truck will get

~ 30 mpge , so at least 4x the fuel cost savings.

My Chevy Bolt gets about 4 miles per KWHr for which pay $0.015

so my per mile cost is $0.004 equivalent to gas cost of $ 3.05 gallon

and 30mpg petrol of $ 0.10 , so about 25x cheaper. I can get all my

electric off peak with the 250 mile + range.

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Post by BigBarney » Thu. Jun. 21, 2018 12:56 pm

My neighbors here are grape farmers and they told me he could not

do the vineyard work with old gas tractors due to low productivity.

Where do you buy new gas tractors even ?

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Post by Sunny Boy » Thu. Jun. 21, 2018 9:02 pm

BigBarney wrote:
Thu. Jun. 21, 2018 12:56 pm
My neighbors here are grape farmers and they told me he could not

do the vineyard work with old gas tractors due to low productivity.

Where do you buy new gas tractors even ?

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Farm auctions.

And if it's getting tired, lots of guys rebuild used ones for far less than the cost of a new one.

Or they come with the farm. My brother's 1940's Ford 8N is on it's third owner - and still on the same Farm when he sold the place, and it's still running. He rebuilt the motor for just a few hundred dollars worth of parts, all of which were still available on L.I. in the 1980s.

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Post by warminmn » Thu. Jun. 21, 2018 10:03 pm

Its all big farmers around me with all large diesel tractors, although they sometimes use their real old "grandpas" gas tractor to run an elevator and they like to cruise around in them here in groups just for the fun of it, and take them to thresher shows, parades, etc.

A lot of them upgraded a few years ago with new combines and tractors when grain got high for 2 years, before the seed, fertilizer, and chemical companies raped them. It isnt going to do that again for a long time and they will use what they have.

Electric is 12 cents/KW here now, plus anyone being honest with themselves knows you wont be able to run them 16 hrs a day or even close to that, then use it the next day, and the next day as not enough recharge time, and as the batteries age even shorter times. im willing to bet my Oliver 70 that the tractors around here would work that electric piece of crap into the ground and run another 10 years after that.

Grape farmers, give me a break. they cant even use big tractors near grapes as the rows are close together. They drill post holes, work the ground (its only a few acres at a time but 100 would be a few to me) plant the grapes, maybe by hand, then stretch wire, then mow with small tractors between the rows, maybe run a sprayer a few times and pick by hand. Hardly even need a real tractor for that crap. They can buy small electric tractors for that kind of messing around cuz its barely working the tractor. Im sure they would work for grapes. Might work for small farmers, fruit and veggie stuff. Real farming, someone working 5-10,000 acres or more, no.

Yep, real cost savings. You bet. Disposable tractors.

Good points SB.

 
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Post by KLook » Thu. Jun. 21, 2018 10:49 pm

I was going to mention the need for tractors in grape growing......glad you set that straight warmmn.....We sold our 53 Golden Jubilee Ford with Sherman? transmission easily and quickly. That thing sat out in the elements all its life and started and worked like hell. No question the 4 wheel drive diesel Ford that replaced it was worlds better, but you could get the job done with the old one......

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Post by Sunny Boy » Fri. Jun. 22, 2018 7:24 am

BigBarney wrote:
Thu. Jun. 21, 2018 12:38 pm
They are driven by a cost sensitive market where a savings of 10's of

thousands of dollars per unit in even basic electric vehicles.

In that backhoe example you have a ~90% cost savings and not

driven by any government programs .

These quieter alternatives will be mandated for use in large cities

when construction goes on 24/7 .

Tractor trailers get about `7 mpg now and the new Tesla truck will get

~ 30 mpge , so at least 4x the fuel cost savings.

My Chevy Bolt gets about 4 miles per KWHr for which pay $0.015

so my per mile cost is $0.004 equivalent to gas cost of $ 3.05 gallon

and 30mpg petrol of $ 0.10 , so about 25x cheaper. I can get all my

electric off peak with the 250 mile + range.

BigBarney
Good for you. But I'll say it again - NO MORE OFF PEAK AROUND HERE and other areas. The KWH rates have been climbing as demand has increased. And they will really increase with chargers sucking up even more power than the computer/internet demand created.

Enjoy it while you can.

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Post by coalnewbie » Fri. Jun. 22, 2018 8:40 pm

Hmmm, so where do you burn bit coal and have grape farmers next door? Then you use the term petrol, hmmmm, so are you a bot from Vancouver?

 
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Will you guys

please stop getting sucked in

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Post by Sunny Boy » Fri. Jun. 22, 2018 10:33 pm

cabinover wrote:
Fri. Jun. 22, 2018 10:24 pm
Will you guys

please stop getting sucked in

to the trolling of BB

:lol:
What, and miss all the fun ??? :D


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