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Post by k-2 » Thu. May. 23, 2024 3:20 pm

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Henry Ford built his cars to run on alcohol over 100 years ago. The problems are the same today as they were back then.
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What then, an alcohol shortage? They are not getting my alcohol. :lol:


 
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Post by ColdHouse » Thu. May. 23, 2024 3:24 pm

If electricity is so bad, why do we power so much of the world with it?
I think Stihl is capable of making a 2 stroke coffee grinder.

 
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Post by k-2 » Thu. May. 23, 2024 3:32 pm

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Its definitely nice to live in a somewhat free country. While things are bad and getting worse here, it's still 10,000x better than anywhere else on earth, hands down! :yes:
Not as free as it used to be,going down the slippery slope of prosecuting political opponents,destroying the currency,cost of living getting out of reach for many,healthcare unaffordable. Now with rampant crime lots of no go zones. Iv been to a few countries that are now better run and on my list if i have to relocate at some point.
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Post by Richard S. » Thu. May. 23, 2024 7:11 pm

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Plus, the problems caused by farmland being taken for alcohol production rather than food and feed stocks that drove up food prices.
The article mentions methanol and currently the primary source of methanol is process using natural gas.

 
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Post by Sunny Boy » Thu. May. 23, 2024 7:59 pm

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The article mentions methanol and currently the primary source of methanol is process using natural gas.
For now.

When they started oxygenating the gasoline to meet Fed clear air standards, they were using other chemicals and finally ended up using ethanol because of environmental problems with all the other choices.

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Post by waytomany?s » Fri. May. 24, 2024 7:22 am

Germany has too many solar panels, and it's pushed energy prices into negative territory
https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/commodit ... een-2024-5

 
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Post by k-2 » Fri. May. 24, 2024 9:29 am

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Germany has too many solar panels, and it's pushed energy prices into negative territory
https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/commodit ... een-2024-5
And for some reason still has some of the highest electricity prices on the planet. More panels without more storage i s a waste of money.


 
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Post by Sunny Boy » Fri. May. 24, 2024 10:19 am

Going electric is supposed to be better for the environment? It's not just EVs bursting into uncontrollable fires, San Diago battery storage facility has to bring in experts to fight a toxic lithium battery fire that has been burning for days.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2024/05/sd_f ... _week.html

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Post by waytomany?s » Fri. May. 24, 2024 12:29 pm

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And for some reason still has some of the highest electricity prices on the planet. More panels without more storage i s a waste of money.
Did you catch in the article that although prices went negative customers didn't benefit because they pay the contract rate? So the utilities charge normal rate and get the power for free.

 
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Post by warminmn » Fri. May. 24, 2024 3:28 pm

Hows that saying go? Follow the money! If they wanted to do something good they would make that power dirt cheap on sunny days and everyone could charge their cars or do other power intensive things with the "green" energy so not as much other "non green" power sources would be used.

Im no greenie but if they are producing it they should be using it instead of it being wasted. Instead it lines pockets while they talk about saving the planet. Hipocrits.

 
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Post by BigBarney » Fri. May. 24, 2024 4:03 pm

If you could invest 1-6 Billion $ you could buy that power too...

Build a power line to be able to absorb it..Batteries or heat storage...

Even just lift up heavy weights 200-350 feet... All the energy is stored..

Kinzua Power storage plant... In Warren PA ...451MW of energy...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seneca_Pumped_Stora ... ng_Station

"Pumped storage plants function similarly to a storage battery; they absorb excess power generated by such plants in off-peak hours, such as nighttime, using it to pump water into a reservoir. Later, when demand exceeds the base load, the flow of water from the reservoir generates additional electrical power to meet peak load demands. Like all storage schemes the facility is a net consumer of electricity due to losses in the cycle."

In NY we get a credit on our bill if National Grid is able to get low cost

energy to replace the fossil fuel energy... Called a market credit..

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Post by warminmn » Fri. May. 24, 2024 4:20 pm

Or just use it right away... would be much cheaper and easier. Perhaps some households would store it if it was cheap enough. But then again the power company wont make as much money and your right back to "follow the money".

 
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Post by waytomany?s » Fri. May. 24, 2024 6:14 pm

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If you could invest 1-6 Billion $ you could buy that power too...

Build a power line to be able to absorb it..Batteries or heat storage...

Even just lift up heavy weights 200-350 feet... All the energy is stored..

Kinzua Power storage plant... In Warren PA ...451MW of energy...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seneca_Pumped_Stora ... ng_Station

"Pumped storage plants function similarly to a storage battery; they absorb excess power generated by such plants in off-peak hours, such as nighttime, using it to pump water into a reservoir. Later, when demand exceeds the base load, the flow of water from the reservoir generates additional electrical power to meet peak load demands. Like all storage schemes the facility is a net consumer of electricity due to losses in the cycle."

In NY we get a credit on our bill if National Grid is able to get low cost

energy to replace the fossil fuel energy... Called a market credit..

BigBarney
Hey, that's a good idea. Probably should call Germany and let them know.

 
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Post by Richard S. » Fri. May. 24, 2024 9:28 pm

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Even just lift up heavy weights 200-350 feet... All the energy is stored..
Sure, if you managed to break the laws of physics. Any time you move energy there is always going to be a loss because of friction and resistance. If you were going to lift heavy weights in the air for example and was doing that with electric motor all the heat generated by the motor is lost energy. Same thing apples with any friction that will transform into heat created by bearings, gears etc. That applies both ways, when you drop that weight the generator is going to create heat and an nay mechanisms.

 
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Post by ColdHouse » Sat. May. 25, 2024 2:28 am

If too much electricity was produced via solar panels, I would make and store hydrogen with the excess energy.


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