Electrical Backup Systems for the future

 
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Post by BigBarney » Fri. Apr. 05, 2019 12:44 pm

I've been thinking about this for a long time and now it may become

practical with the advent of batteries which have enough capacity

and the ability to be recharged many times. If your house had an

energy supply that would provide for all your needs daily and also

your transportation needs you wouldn't need to be connected to

the grid , but it is cheap enough so you would also buy it only for

insurance.

This is even more feasible with an electric vehicle with bi directional

power so you also have an extra supply when needed in a emergency

situation , you could supply your own needs (limited) for a set time.

Your HOUSE battery would also be able to be charged from any source

of energy , wind ,solar or even the grid , especially in off peak times.

http://evtv.me/2017/07/selfishly-solar/

https://insideevs.com/100-kwh-tesla-battery-powersafe-video/

There are many detailed videos on this site about about "SELFISH

SOLAR" which explain how to get your own 240-120v 60 cy ac without

the grid connection .

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Post by BigBarney » Fri. Apr. 05, 2019 1:17 pm

Just found this video which is a simple version for people

to easily understand.



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Post by PolarLight » Mon. Jun. 03, 2019 9:34 pm

Also thought about the same.
Electrical buckup systems. Even though they are getting cheaper and cheaper the 2 main problems with them I think.

Batteries, they will die anyway, no matter you use them or not. 8years the maximum lifetime, if you drain them regularly then 2 years, I would say. And they are expensive.
When power down in dead winter there is no sunshine, unless you live in mountains. So, no energy and your batteries will die even quicker because of cold temperatures.
I am thinking about small low noise disel generator that I can connect to the boiler controller, when voltage gets too low, relay will start the generator. That's my thoughts.

 
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Post by coalnewbie » Tue. Jun. 04, 2019 8:09 am

A big pile of nut sized black rocks and a couple really nice backup coal stoves with some serious power. Some $4 LED lights and a cheap load of AA batteries. I am then more secure than you could ever be with your fancy solar systems. This is not CA.

Don't get me wrong, I would love to dump O&R, Verizon and Optimum but at present I am stuck. They offer me my most cost effective solutions. Whatever I choose must offer a ROI that pays back in three years max. If I lived near Lake Erie I could set up a massive ram pump and a turbine as the ever rising lake levels get ready to drown me out.... hahahahhahahaa. Nah, as soon as I do that it will stop raining.

I need more coal. I had better get set up today as it has stopped raining rather than waste time reading this drivel.

 
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Post by lsayre » Tue. Jun. 04, 2019 9:26 am

I would not welcome a Tesla battery pack into my house, even if it comes with a fire-safe. But this is merely a personal preference, as I tend to shy away from things that may randomly spontaneously combust. And particularly more so when they cost $15,000.

The article states that for $52,000 you can make enough electricity to come off the grid. That's 75 to 80 years worth of grid supplied electricity at my rate of consumption and current local cost.

 
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Post by coalnewbie » Tue. Jun. 04, 2019 9:43 am

t may randomly spontaneously combust
Will the fire consume you first or the very toxic fumes ... a tough call.

 
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Post by warminmn » Tue. Jun. 04, 2019 9:49 am

Imagine the extra home insurance rates, not just for the value of the battery system, but once the insurance industry realizes they should gouge more money for homeowners with these fire hazards, compared to grid fed systems.

The costs really have to drop a lot, to about a third the present asking price, to make it even remotely make sense.

Its 54 years of my usage, at present day costs of about $80/month to reach $52K and where is the 52K coming from? If it was earning you interest your losing even more.

Its hogwash.


 
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Post by McGiever » Tue. Jun. 04, 2019 10:27 am

It would be hard to have a meaningful discussion here on a coal board where extremes are consistently used as the typical or norm...Somewhere out there is the Truth, but it'll not ever be seen on these pages... :what:

 
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Post by coalnewbie » Tue. Jun. 04, 2019 12:45 pm

I am always searching for truth, justice and the American way. So I guess it lies in mediocrity, so come on McG wow us.

 
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Post by PolarLight » Tue. Jun. 04, 2019 1:08 pm

We had a horrible ice rain here in Ontario, Canada 4 years ago, and had no power for 2 weeks, only those who had good buckups generators felt moreless ok. You need power not for running boiler and circulators only.

 
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Post by warminmn » Tue. Jun. 04, 2019 2:56 pm

coalnewbie wrote:
Tue. Jun. 04, 2019 12:45 pm
I am always searching for truth, justice and the American way. So I guess it lies in mediocrity, so come on McG wow us.
Yes, I was going to say that, the 2nd sentence anyway. I am well aware McG knows way more about these systems than BB and at least I will know his will be a doable system instead of salesman talk.

 
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Post by VigIIPeaBurner » Tue. Jun. 04, 2019 3:30 pm

PolarLight wrote:
Tue. Jun. 04, 2019 1:08 pm
We had a horrible ice rain here in Ontario, Canada 4 years ago, and had no power for 2 weeks, only those who had good buckups generators felt moreless ok. You need power not for running boiler and circulators only.
Understandable. It happened to us twice in 2 years: October 2011 17" wet snow with leaves still on the trees took out the main line. Had coal heat and batteries. No well water either. Filled the tubs to wash and flush. Ate of the frozen food as it thawed. Made it 11 days before the main line was repaired. Same the next year when superstorm Sandy hit NJ.

Actually, smaller hybrid solar electrical systems are coming down in price. I'm setting one up for my little RV. With a hand-full of solar panels, LiFePO4 batteries, hybrid inverter/charger and a small inexpensive generator and I'll be set. Even without the 2k generator I can go 6 days and that's w/o sun.

But realistically, I'm talking a basic existence 30 amp system with some TV and radio. Nothing within a reasonable ROI reach to do big stuff like run a farm with the modern stuff used now. Now if you could use that rampump Simon is dreaming about or lived on a hillside with decent flowing stream ...

 
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Post by grumpy » Tue. Jun. 04, 2019 5:39 pm

PolarLight wrote:
Mon. Jun. 03, 2019 9:34 pm
Also thought about the same.
Electrical buckup systems. Even though they are getting cheaper and cheaper the 2 main problems with them I think.

Batteries, they will die anyway, no matter you use them or not. 8years the maximum lifetime, if you drain them regularly then 2 years, I would say. And they are expensive.
When power down in dead winter there is no sunshine, unless you live in mountains. So, no energy and your batteries will die even quicker because of cold temperatures.
I am thinking about small low noise disel generator that I can connect to the boiler controller, when voltage gets too low, relay will start the generator. That's my thoughts.
Correct... How much are you willing to spend on a diesel genset ?

 
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Post by PolarLight » Wed. Jun. 05, 2019 1:04 am

I am thinking to spent around 1k, but it has to be a silent one, and something I can start from a mobile app, or it starts by itself when power is down. I saw one, but don't remember the brand

 
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Post by McGiever » Wed. Jun. 05, 2019 11:40 am

You'll see others there at different prices...

https://www.amazon.com/ATKINSON-GENERATOR-CONTROL ... B01HAB04OS


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