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Post by Rob R. » Mon. Aug. 13, 2018 12:59 pm

rberq wrote:
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I tried ammonia on cucumber beetles and squash bugs.
It sure did discourage the bugs, by killing the plants.
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Post by coalnewbie » Mon. Aug. 13, 2018 2:00 pm

No, you feed the cukes and squash, bugs/weeds and all to the pigs and then eat the bacon.

 
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Post by lsayre » Mon. Aug. 13, 2018 2:35 pm

Per Wikipedia, glyphosate was discovered in 1950, and not by a Monsanto employee or company, but Monsanto "re-discovered it" in 1970 and was granted a patent on it. Amazing!!!

 
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Post by BigBarney » Tue. Aug. 14, 2018 1:30 pm

The real danger is that it is used on a high % of corn and other crops that are

used for food for people. Now I hear they are spraying it on oats to ripen them

for a faster harvest , the roundup doesn't go away in this use .Most soybeans

are GMO and are heavily dosed with roundup to clear the weeds , maybe they

could also spray the ripened beans to make harvesting easier with no leaves to

hamper the harvest.....

Bigbarney

 
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Post by coalnewbie » Tue. Aug. 14, 2018 1:35 pm

Now I hear they are spraying it on oats to ripen them

for a faster harvest , the roundup doesn't go away in this use .
Yep, buy an $8 tester from HD and some Quaker Oats ... it will test positive. However, they are working feverishly on that one apparently.

 
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Post by gaw » Tue. Aug. 14, 2018 1:48 pm

Potato vines are sprayed to kill them prior to harvest but I doubt it is Roundup. Generally herbicides are used early on in the growth cycle to allow the planted crop to get large enough to shade out and out compete the weeds. There should be no need for herbicides close to harvest.

 
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Post by freetown fred » Tue. Aug. 14, 2018 3:44 pm

For the record, Round-up came out with " Round-up for Lawns" which has no glyphosate cause many home owners are idiots. Larry, they were granted a patent on Round-up, not glyphosate I believe--which is an ingredient. It was patented as a anti-biotic--figure that LOL Used properly, it works well & falls with-in safe limits--gotta love the "eco-freaks" Of course THEY want everyone to buy expensive ORGANIC stuff--which in itself is a joke.
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Per Wikipedia, glyphosate was discovered in 1950, and not by a Monsanto employee or company, but Monsanto "re-discovered it" in 1970 and was granted a patent on it. Amazing!!!


 
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Post by warminmn » Tue. Aug. 14, 2018 4:01 pm

BigBarney wrote:
Tue. Aug. 14, 2018 1:30 pm
The real danger is that it is used on a high % of corn and other crops that are

used for food for people. Now I hear they are spraying it on oats to ripen them

for a faster harvest , the roundup doesn't go away in this use .Most soybeans

are GMO and are heavily dosed with roundup to clear the weeds , maybe they

could also spray the ripened beans to make harvesting easier with no leaves to

hamper the harvest.....

Bigbarney
There are many crops that are genetically modified to handle roundup now, including alfalfa. Alfalfa is the one I see as the most stupid as it is eaten by dairy cows, which then comes out as milk drank daily by children.

I had never heard of roundup being used to ripen crops quicker but Im thinking/guessing that it would be crops that cannot handle roundup so that it would kill the plant, which then it would dry up quicker for harvest. The catch I see here is it may be illegal, if there is a time period that needs to pass after spraying before it can be harvested. I could be wrong on any of this, just what Im guessing.

I doubt it would be used on beans for that purpose as nature takes care of the leaves on its own so it would just be added expense to spray it, plus the plant needs to be actively growing in order for roundup to kill it with efficiency.

ive said it already in this posting and Ive said it before, but what would take its place if it was stopped from being used? There is nothing else made right now that I know of that isnt an even worse chemical. Im sure many of the pesticides are worse also. And to go back to the old way of multiple cultivating and weed pulling is not going to happen on any large scale. At this time roundup is all there really is until someone invents something new.

 
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Post by lsayre » Tue. Aug. 14, 2018 4:58 pm

Wasn't someone working on a toned down version of Agent Orange a few years ago?

 
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Post by rberq » Tue. Aug. 14, 2018 6:44 pm

warminmn wrote:
Tue. Aug. 14, 2018 4:01 pm
ive said it already in this posting and Ive said it before, but what would take its place if it was stopped from being used? There is nothing else made right now that I know of that isnt an even worse chemical. Im sure many of the pesticides are worse also. And to go back to the old way of multiple cultivating and weed pulling is not going to happen on any large scale. At this time roundup is all there really is until someone invents something new.
Yep. Scary situation, where population is so large the world can have enough to eat only by using a chemical that is harmful to the health. And pretty soon Mother Nature is SURE to evolve weeds that laugh at Roundup.
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Post by lsayre » Tue. Aug. 14, 2018 7:06 pm

lsayre wrote:
Tue. Aug. 14, 2018 4:58 pm
Wasn't someone working on a toned down version of Agent Orange a few years ago?
More info: The new stuff will use one half of the Agent Orange blend, the half called 2,4-D. In 2014 the USDA approval process started. There are genetically modified soybeans and corn waiting in the wings that resist 2,4-D. It will kill the super-weeds that have become immune to glyphosate. Gotta love it!
2,4-D was introduced in the 1940s, and became notorious during the Vietnam war for its use as part of the chemical weapon known as “Agent Orange.” This is why the 2,4-D-resistant crops developed by Dow AgroSciences are frequently referred to as “Agent Orange crops.”

Agent Orange, the defoliant used as a weapon of war in Vietnam, is a mixture of equal parts 2,4-D and another related herbicide, 2,4,5-T.
https://foodrevolution.org/blog/agent-orange-corn/

 
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Post by lsayre » Tue. Aug. 14, 2018 8:18 pm

When the new Half Agent Orange tolerant crops hit the market it will probably take 20-30 years before 2,4-D is sued by those claiming cancer from exposure to GMO food saturated with it.
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Post by grumpy » Tue. Aug. 14, 2018 8:31 pm

This is worth seeing....


 
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Post by warminmn » Tue. Aug. 14, 2018 9:04 pm

Thanks Larry for looking that up as I didnt know that. 2 4 D will kill about any weed or crop in the growing stages. Not always grass. Its used now but usually before crops have emerged and used on lawns for dandelions and other weeds. More of a problem with drift too. Grapes are dead if near it. It kills foxtail and ragweed better than roundup, maybe other plants too.

If they start using that in place of round up people will have a lot more to complain about disease wise, in my opinion. They use Dicamba(sp) too which drifts badly by evaporation and causes lots of problems with crops at far distances.

I couldnt finish the video Grumpy or I wouldnt be able to eat anything :lol:

 
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Post by grumpy » Tue. Aug. 14, 2018 9:17 pm

I couldnt finish the video Grumpy or I wouldnt be able to eat anything :lol:
Tell me about it, I've seen the whole thing....


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