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Post by BigBarney » Tue. Jun. 05, 2018 10:39 pm

Need 2 billion energy storage units... per Tesla

https://www.fastcompany.com/40580693/exclusive-te ... ity%20Dive

"One research firm, Wood Mackenzie Power and Renewables (also known as GTM Research), estimates that annual energy storage deployments will grow from 2.3 gigawatt-hours in 2017 to 21.6 gigawatt-hours in 2022 globally"

"On the Pacific island of Ta’u in American Samoa, a solar microgrid using 60 of Tesla’s large Powerpack batteries has fully replaced diesel power. In Hawaii, Tesla batteries store energy generated during the day at a solar farm on Kauai to release it at night. In Southern California, a Powerpack system handles peak energy demand without requiring extra fossil-fuel-powered plants to come online."


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Post by McGiever » Thu. Jun. 07, 2018 9:41 am

Safe to say these are better chemistry than in a laptop battery.
Someone saw a "Sure Bet" ;)

 
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Post by rberq » Thu. Jun. 07, 2018 7:21 pm

Good article. Plenty of sun energy reaches the earth to satisfy all our energy needs. The trick is to capture and store it temporarily and run it through all our electricity-using machines on its way to radiating back into space as excess heat. Is it possible we could do enough of that to trigger dangerous global cooling? Wouldn't THAT be ironic.

 
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Post by Lightning » Thu. Jun. 07, 2018 8:14 pm

It's fun to think about, storing solar energy. The solar panels that heat my pool have been measured to produce 40,000 BTUs per hour. That's equivalent to 4 pounds of burning coal per hour, even with factoring combustion efficiency. That also is equivalent to 96 pounds per day, which I burn when it's a mean temp of ZERO degrees for that day. The panels I use absorb only 160 square feet of solar radiation. If only a way to harness that power, channel it thru the flux capacitor and open a time portal to anywhere we want to go :lol:

 
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Post by KLook » Thu. Jun. 07, 2018 9:21 pm

In the places mentioned in this glowing article, the average temp is neither to high or to low. My old business partner told me St. Thomas in the Virgin Isles averaged 78 degrees. No need to heat and cool....so what do you use electricity for? Refrigeration would be a big one and recharging cell phones per coalnewbie......

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Post by hotblast1357 » Fri. Jun. 08, 2018 5:29 am

Well of coarse you have to charge your wonderful EV!

 
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Post by warminmn » Fri. Jun. 08, 2018 9:20 am

I hope the price drop on storage they are predicting in the article happen. I dont want a 30 year return on investment, I want 5 or less. I'll keep my gas vehicles though.


 
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Post by rberq » Fri. Jun. 08, 2018 11:12 am

warminmn wrote:
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I hope the price drop on storage they are predicting in the article happen. I don't want a 30 year return on investment, I want 5 or less.
Yes, 30 years is too iffy. All it takes is some unexpected repair, or lower-than-expected output, or a dozen other possibilities, and all of a sudden 30 years becomes 50. Plus, the average homeowner moves every 7 or 8 years, or whatever the number is. I think when the ROI drops to 8 or 10 years there will be a lot more acceptance, ESPECIALLY if the initial cost includes adequate in-house storage batteries.

 
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Post by warminmn » Fri. Jun. 08, 2018 11:28 am

rberq wrote:
Fri. Jun. 08, 2018 11:12 am
Yes, 30 years is too iffy. All it takes is some unexpected repair, or lower-than-expected output, or a dozen other possibilities, and all of a sudden 30 years becomes 50. Plus, the average homeowner moves every 7 or 8 years, or whatever the number is. I think when the ROI drops to 8 or 10 years there will be a lot more acceptance, ESPECIALLY if the initial cost includes adequate in-house storage batteries.
Your probably right about the 8-10 years, people jumping in then. Maybe even at 15. For me, I want 5 or close. Im willing to give up some items that use power to get to 5, where many people arent, so it might be about the same time as 8-10 for others.

 
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Post by Sunny Boy » Sun. Jun. 17, 2018 4:15 pm

KLook wrote:
Tue. Jun. 12, 2018 9:21 pm
http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2018/06/12/telsa-wo ... methrower/
http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2018/06/11/elon-mus ... sla-burns/

Yeah, he really is making me glad his vision is the future.

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Post by rberq » Mon. Jun. 18, 2018 12:25 pm

KLook wrote:
Tue. Jun. 12, 2018 9:21 pm
http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2018/06/12/telsa-wo ... methrower/
http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2018/06/11/elon-mus ... sla-burns/

Yeah, he really is making me glad his vision is the future.
I'm seeing in this thread the all-too-human tendency to tear down remarkable and "different" people, including those who make a name for themselves in entertainment, arts, and (here) technology. Whatever you think of the limited public money that has flowed to Elon Musk's companies, it's hard to deny he has done remarkable things -- batteries, cars, space rockets, and so on. Come back in fifty years and render a judgment then. I wonder how Alexander Graham Bell, Thomas Edison, Henry Ford, even Nikola Tesla himself would have been judged during their lifetimes by us coal burners. ;)

We might also consider whether we are being manipulated by paid propaganda campaigns intended just to slow down new, potentially-competing technology. It ain't just the Ruskies who plant stories. :lol:

 
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Post by franco b » Mon. Jun. 18, 2018 1:12 pm

rberq wrote:
Mon. Jun. 18, 2018 12:25 pm
I'm seeing in this thread the all-too-human tendency to tear down remarkable and "different" people, including those who make a name for themselves in entertainment, arts, and (here) technology. Whatever you think of the limited public money that has flowed to Elon Musk's companies, it's hard to deny he has done remarkable things -- batteries, cars, space rockets, and so on. Come back in fifty years and render a judgment then. I wonder how Alexander Graham Bell, Thomas Edison, Henry Ford, even Nikola Tesla himself would have been judged during their lifetimes by us coal burners. ;)

We might also consider whether we are being manipulated by paid propaganda campaigns intended just to slow down new, potentially-competing technology. It ain't just the Ruskies who plant stories. :lol:
I agree with you up to a point. Musk is hardly in a position to be compared to the giant pioneers you list, though he might be in time. At this time he is just a promoter who will probably go bust. The darling of the elitists, and building an elitists car. A lot different from the peoples car that Ford built. The slant is wrong way round.

Are you saying the stories about Tesla failures are false? How many times has the false flag of big oil holding back technology been raised? YouTube has all kinds of free energy schemes as well but lack the outstanding promotional skills of Musk. Visionary? Or another Barnum? Time will tell.

 
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Post by lsayre » Mon. Jun. 18, 2018 1:16 pm

Didn't another Tesla sedan just up and spontaneously combust a few days ago? I'm still not convinced I want what is effectively a Tesla car battery hanging on the wall of my house.


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