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Post by lobsterman » Sat. Nov. 26, 2022 7:13 am

Comes a time when everyone does the math. NG has soared to $260 per 240 therm, the equivalent of 1 ton of coal (put in your own efficiencies). The only place I have found coal within 50 miles (stores say they can't get it) is charging $15 per 50 lb bag, a whopping $600 per ton and you haul it. The lady said they were totally surprised when they saw this year's cost to them. If it really is a supply issue (not pure gouging), maybe it will back off a bit in the coming months.
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Post by coalnewbie » Sat. Nov. 26, 2022 10:14 am

You are bathed in nice warm water and you will be fine



hahahahahhahahaha, I just kill myself

 
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Post by lincolnmania » Sat. Nov. 26, 2022 11:35 am

Our backup is oil. No natural gas here. I'll stick with coal. just wish there was a way to lower garage thermostat below 50.

 
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Post by lincolnmania » Sat. Nov. 26, 2022 11:40 am

if you got a pickup truck that gets 20 mpg cape cod to Schuylkill county is about 800 miles round trip 40 gallons at 4 bucks a gallon is $160.
$200-240 a ton at a few breakers yet.

 
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Post by lobsterman » Sun. Nov. 27, 2022 7:59 am

Ha ha, good price, I have that truck, long trip, maybe combine with another reason to go. But realistically, I figure my vehicles cost he 50 cents per mile all in with depreciation, insurance, repairs, maintenance, etc.

 
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Post by Freddy » Sun. Nov. 27, 2022 8:17 pm

lincolnmania wrote: just wish there was a way to lower garage thermostat below 50.
Do a search for "ICM Controls FS1500L Garage Stat, 35 Degree - 75 Degree".

With some luck you might find an old Honeywell mercury thermostat that goes down to 40.

 
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Post by anthony7812 » Sun. Nov. 27, 2022 8:20 pm

Freddy wrote:
Sun. Nov. 27, 2022 8:17 pm
Do a search for "ICM Controls FS1500L Garage Stat, 35 Degree - 75 Degree".

With some luck you might find an old Honeywell mercury thermostat that goes down to 40.
Automationdirect.com has some nice temp switches you can find as well. Not as pretty as a residential t-stat but hey it’s a garage.


 
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Post by spuldup » Tue. Nov. 29, 2022 9:49 am

lincolnmania wrote:
Sat. Nov. 26, 2022 11:35 am
Our backup is oil. No natural gas here. I'll stick with coal. just wish there was a way to lower garage thermostat below 50.
I have this in my garage:

Honeywell Home CT50K1028 CT50K Non-Programmable Manual Thermostat

Cheap, goes down to 35F, no batteries needed.

 
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Post by gaw » Tue. Nov. 29, 2022 10:37 am

lobsterman wrote:
Sat. Nov. 26, 2022 7:13 am
Comes a time when everyone does the math. NG has soared to $260 per 240 therm, the equivalent of 1 ton of coal (put in your own efficiencies). The only place I have found coal within 50 miles (stores say they can't get it) is charging $15 per 50 lb bag, a whopping $600 per ton and you haul it. The lady said they were totally surprised when they saw this year's cost to them. If it really is a supply issue (not pure gouging), maybe it will back off a bit in the coming months.
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Looks like you figured out what you need to do. Coal is not an affordable solution for everyone and as you get further away from the source you involve transportation and middleman costs.

 
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Post by lincolnmania » Tue. Nov. 29, 2022 11:56 am

Freddy wrote:
Sun. Nov. 27, 2022 8:17 pm
Do a search for "ICM Controls FS1500L Garage Stat, 35 Degree - 75 Degree".

With some luck you might find an old Honeywell mercury thermostat that goes down to 40.
I have a slab sensor thermostat for the floor heat. I have one of those old honeywells here somewhere in the hoard but how would it be without the slab sensor?

 
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Post by ColdHouse » Wed. Nov. 30, 2022 6:20 am

Early summer I feared cost increases and decided to purchase a truckload 22.5 ton, 18 pallets of bagged nut. I got it from Penn Keystone. With delivery charges and everything cost me less than $340 per ton. I don't know what their price is now. Obviously need to be able to offload a truckload of coal and have a place to put it and the funds to buy one. I guess with some ingenuity and commitment it would be possible to coordinate a several people wanting coal to meet someplace and offload the coal and load it and it would be all gone. I have the room and am glad to have the peace of mind that I can heat my home for several years. Now I am fine tuning my coal burning skills so as to not waste any. I want to heat my home to 70 or thereabouts and waste as little as possible. I don't need or want it anywhere near 80*.

 
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Post by SMITTY » Wed. Nov. 30, 2022 8:51 am

Even at $600 a ton, it's still cheaper than #2 heating oil. $600/ton = $3.329/gallon heating oil at 80% efficiency. Most places are $2 a gallon higher than that, at least in central MA.

Uxbridge is a bit of a ride from you, but would be worth getting in touch with Pelletsdirect.com and see if they'd deliver. They were $499.90 a ton last I checked.

https://shop.pelletsdirect.com/High-Heat-Anthraci ... oal_c4.htm

Oh, and they knock $10 a ton off if you buy 3 or more tons at a time. I'm thinking even with delivery charges you'll be far under $600 a ton.

If they will deliver, they have a Moffett truck-mounted forklift, and they'll put the pallets anywhere you want.

 
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Post by Freddy » Wed. Nov. 30, 2022 8:20 pm

lincolnmania wrote: I have a slab sensor thermostat for the floor heat. I have one of those old honeywells here somewhere in the hoard but how would it be without the slab sensor?
You mentioned "Heat the garage"....I didn't realize you had infloor heat. I have seen infloor run off a wall thermostat, but they have bunches of overrun & often don't ask for heat soon enough.

 
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Post by k-2 » Thu. Dec. 01, 2022 10:50 am

lobsterman wrote:
Sun. Nov. 27, 2022 7:59 am
Ha ha, good price, I have that truck, long trip, maybe combine with another reason to go. But realistically, I figure my vehicles cost he 50 cents per mile all in with depreciation, insurance, repairs, maintenance, etc.
Years ago a lot of truckers(medium sized trucks) hauled coal from the source here in central PA to the New England states as a year long profession. They were able to make a good living off the price difference between here and there. Of course fuel cost was a fraction of what it is today .

 
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Post by Black_And_Blue » Mon. Dec. 05, 2022 5:04 pm

SMITTY wrote:
Wed. Nov. 30, 2022 8:51 am
Even at $600 a ton, it's still cheaper than #2 heating oil.......
This is true but we all know it never had to be this way.


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