Anthracite Price Per Ton for the 2022-2023 Heating Season

davidmcbeth3 · Post by **davidmcbeth3** » Mon. Mar. 06, 2023 4:24 am

k-2 wrote: ↑
Sat. Mar. 04, 2023 12:07 pm
Interesting. Fortunately for some of these big companies they are locked into contracts months and years ahead with their big customers at the higher prices. That must be frustrating to the customers if they are paying twice the spot market price for coal and fuel. My Nat gas company is still charging me $10 a therm when the spot market is at $2-3 therm.

Ten dollars a therm ? Holy

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wnycoalier · Post by **wnycoalier** » Mon. Mar. 06, 2023 9:45 am

Finally got a call back from Pagnotti coal. 250 a ton for Pea, he quickly volunteered that it was dirty and he wasn't recommending it. The AA is sensitive to trash and I passed. He seemed to think his price would be mostly stable, he did assume the other sellers @350 would have to start dropping.

For us it's meant a total curtailment of use. It's been fed instead into our Hitzer, the workshop has been left cold and I am stretching to make summer. With the mild winter (snowmobile has gotten 17 miles) I've just decided to wait it out. I sold my stockpile of rice at premium and just let propane take up the slack.

The mines are killing demand. Other friends Ive converted to coal all gave it up this year

I enjoy the work of coal, but part of the enjoyment is knowing it's saving me $ . At $500 a ton the margin cost verse time investment is in the red.

lincolnmania · Post by **lincolnmania** » Mon. Mar. 06, 2023 10:12 am

It's a tremont zip code. Newtown does not have a post office.

nut · Post by **nut** » Mon. Mar. 06, 2023 12:26 pm

Good news. Diesel prices are falling.

Idlorah · Post by **Idlorah** » Mon. Mar. 06, 2023 3:18 pm

BlackBetty06 wrote: ↑
Sun. Mar. 05, 2023 5:11 pm
Is the Sherman’s everyone is referring to on Sherman’s mountain road in Tremont??

Yes

BlackBetty06 · Post by **BlackBetty06** » Mon. Mar. 06, 2023 5:57 pm

Thanks for the co formation guys. I’ll have to check it out. Hopefully coal prices crash. It looks like it may be starting to in all aspects.

davidmcbeth3 · Post by **davidmcbeth3** » Tue. Mar. 07, 2023 5:02 pm

wnycoalier wrote: ↑
Mon. Mar. 06, 2023 9:45 am
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I enjoy the work of coal, but part of the enjoyment is knowing it's saving me $ . At $500 a ton the margin cost verse time investment is in the red.

At $500/ton its still a significant cost saving currently in my situation with $3.40 /gal heating oil (current cost , was at $5.00 earlier this season).
$2500 v. $3268 per mmBTU per site's cost calc. Figure $2500*100%/$3268 = 76% (or 24% saving for coal or extra 24% for heating oil). Time=free

With that savings I can get extra cheese on my cheesburger

Post by **Rob R.** » Tue. Mar. 07, 2023 9:35 pm

Since I sent my oil boiler to the scrap yard, the cost of coal is what it is. I will shop around like anyone else, but at the end of the day I can't easily switch to something else.

The chart below is a comparison of different fuel costs in my area. For the first time since I started burning coal, propane is a better deal. I can't heat my entire house with propane, but I did supplement with it during the extreme cold a few weeks ago. I will also start to use my heat pump in a few weeks to help the house warm up in the mornings.

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Hambden Bob · Post by **Hambden Bob** » Tue. Mar. 07, 2023 10:22 pm

Rob,We've Broken Some New,Unfortunate Ground..

hank2 · Post by **hank2** » Wed. Mar. 08, 2023 12:41 am

My regular coal hauler is hanging at $382/ton for delivered Blaschak . That's on a 4 ton minimum order. Yes, there are ways to get it cheaper. Reading and Penn Keystone quit bagging, supposedly.
My regular fuel oil dealer is now down to $3.45/gal. for #2 oil.
My oil boiler is rated at and tests at 86% efficiency. I'd guess 60% efficiency on my hand fired coal stove and that's likely being kind.
That's a savings with coal of maybe $200-250 for an entire winter. If oil drops to $3.10 a gal, they'll be about a dead heat.
My boiler has to run year-round anyhow for DHW in an indirect. Real pricey DHW, especially since it's run all this winter on $5.25/gal oil.
May as well just run oil and have the DHW go along for the ride. Oil is now likely cheaper than anthracite in some situations, like mine.
I don't pay attention to propane prices, but I know that they're all over the place. Of course, you have to own your tank and the bigger ones are $$$$. Electricity is all but $.20/kwh here, bottom line.

stokerstove · Post by **stokerstove** » Wed. Mar. 08, 2023 9:32 am

hank2 wrote: ↑
Wed. Mar. 08, 2023 12:41 am
My regular coal hauler is hanging at $382/ton for delivered Blaschak . That's on a 4 ton minimum order. Yes, there are ways to get it cheaper. Reading and Penn Keystone quit bagging, supposedly.
My regular fuel oil dealer is now down to $3.45/gal. for #2 oil.
My oil boiler is rated at and tests at 86% efficiency. I'd guess 60% efficiency on my hand fired coal stove and that's likely being kind.
That's a savings with coal of maybe $200-250 for an entire winter. If oil drops to $3.10 a gal, they'll be about a dead heat.
My boiler has to run year-round anyhow for DHW in an indirect. Real pricey DHW, especially since it's run all this winter on $5.25/gal oil.
May as well just run oil and have the DHW go along for the ride. Oil is now likely cheaper than anthracite in some situations, like mine.
I don't pay attention to propane prices, but I know that they're all over the place. Of course, you have to own your tank and the bigger ones are $$$$. Electricity is all but $.20/kwh here, bottom line.

Exactly why I'm back to hauling coal myself for the near future, anyway. At $350/ton delivered I might as well run my mini-split units. Those units can provide the heat we need most of the time but can't replace the total warmth the coal provides with the stove in the basement (wife is spoiled). I can make numerous runs to the supplier with my pickup, at my convenience to build up a supply. Only a 24 mile round trip and can incorporate other errands in that area during the trip. if the situation were to stay like this, I can retro-fit my trailer again to haul more coal at a time.

We don't have oil or propane as an option. My son does have propane locked in at a good price but is still running his mini-splits, as his propane bill is still very high.

hotblast1357 · Post by **hotblast1357** » Wed. Mar. 08, 2023 4:09 pm

Rob R. wrote: ↑
Tue. Mar. 07, 2023 9:35 pm
Since I sent my oil boiler to the scrap yard, the cost of coal is what it is. I will shop around like anyone else, but at the end of the day I can't easily switch to something else.

The chart below is a comparison of different fuel costs in my area. For the first time since I started burning coal, propane is a better deal. I can't heat my entire house with propane, but I did supplement with it during the extreme cold a few weeks ago. I will also start to use my heat pump in a few weeks to help the house warm up in the mornings.

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I would say 250% would be when it’s cold out, below zero, anything above 30 degrees I would say it’s more like 300-400% for the heat pump, or a COP of 3-4

davidmcbeth3 · Post by **davidmcbeth3** » Wed. Mar. 08, 2023 5:31 pm

Rob R. wrote: ↑
Tue. Mar. 07, 2023 9:35 pm
Since I sent my oil boiler to the scrap yard, the cost of coal is what it is. I will shop around like anyone else, but at the end of the day I can't easily switch to something else.

The chart below is a comparison of different fuel costs in my area. For the first time since I started burning coal, propane is a better deal. I can't heat my entire house with propane, but I did supplement with it during the extreme cold a few weeks ago. I will also start to use my heat pump in a few weeks to help the house warm up in the mornings.

250% efficiency for heat pump. Its magic.

OTR · Post by **OTR** » Wed. Mar. 08, 2023 6:27 pm

hank2 wrote: ↑
Wed. Mar. 08, 2023 12:41 am
My oil boiler is rated at and tests at 86% efficiency. I'd guess 60% efficiency on my hand fired coal stove and that's likely being kind.

Many people leave efficiency out of the equation when calculating which fuel to use. It's not just BTUs per dollar!

Post by **Lightning** » Wed. Mar. 08, 2023 6:50 pm

Efficiency for me would need to 600% or better for electric to compete with coal.

Anthracite Price Per Ton for the 2022-2023 Heating Season

What's the price for 1 ton of coal in your area?