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Post by ColdHouse » Wed. Jun. 29, 2022 7:54 pm

tcalo wrote:
Wed. Jun. 29, 2022 7:23 pm
Providing it lasts 10 years. Factor in repair costs!
100% guaranteed. Even production guarantee for 25 years. Guaranteed to produce 92% of what it did when new at 25 years. All parts and labor covered.


 
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Post by Hambden Bob » Thu. Jun. 30, 2022 6:15 am

God Love Ya',And I Hope It Works Out For Ya' The biggest problem regarding the 25 year guarantee is the "The Guarantor" stays viable to Honor the guarantee...

 
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Post by Rob R. » Thu. Jun. 30, 2022 6:22 am

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Probably not. We average 1500kwh per month at current rates that is $412.50. If electricity increases 2% per year that same 1500 kwh will cost me $663 in 25 years. This system will pay for itself in less than 10 years.
1500 kwh is pretty significant if you don't have any space heating included.

 
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Post by ColdHouse » Thu. Jun. 30, 2022 7:36 am

My truckload is arriving tomorrow. Can I double stack the skids on the ground?

 
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Post by ColdHouse » Thu. Jun. 30, 2022 7:46 am

Rob R. wrote:
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1500 kwh is pretty significant if you don't have any space heating included.
Yes. It is a decent size house. Lower level/walkout basement needs dehumidifier all summer. Have had a swimming pool. One person is cold blooded and uses space heater in his bedroom. 3 Refrigerators. All lights have been changed to LED. I do not even have electric domestic hot water. All summer my oil boiler needs to fire to heat my indirect hot water tank. I am hoping to get the usage down because the kids are gone and I am taking out the pool. But want to add domestic electric hot water. I was thinking of getting a tankless hot water heater with a circulating pump and using that to heat my indirect hot water tank. Could probably put it on a timer. https://www.supplyhouse.com/Eemax-HA018240-HA0182 ... eater-18kW. Just brainstorming at this point.

 
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Post by coaledsweat » Thu. Jun. 30, 2022 8:07 am

ColdHouse wrote:
Thu. Jun. 30, 2022 7:36 am
My truckload is arriving tomorrow. Can I double stack the skids on the ground?
You can but risk tearing the bags. I don't recommend it.

 
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Post by anthony7812 » Thu. Jun. 30, 2022 1:23 pm

ColdHouse wrote:
Thu. Jun. 30, 2022 7:46 am
Yes. It is a decent size house. Lower level/walkout basement needs dehumidifier all summer. Have had a swimming pool. One person is cold blooded and uses space heater in his bedroom. 3 Refrigerators. All lights have been changed to LED. I do not even have electric domestic hot water. All summer my oil boiler needs to fire to heat my indirect hot water tank. I am hoping to get the usage down because the kids are gone and I am taking out the pool. But want to add domestic electric hot water. I was thinking of getting a tankless hot water heater with a circulating pump and using that to heat my indirect hot water tank. Could probably put it on a timer. https://www.supplyhouse.com/Eemax-HA018240-HA0182 ... eater-18kW. Just brainstorming at this point.
Wow your at 1500kw without even heating your hot water with electric! I run around 15-1600kw in june/july/august depending if the window units are running. I also use electric in this time for my hot water needs. We drop that almost in half or better in winter. No pool, no window units, no dehumidifier and no electric suckin hot water heater. However even with LED's my wife thinks even the closet lights need to be on all winter.


 
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Post by Rob R. » Thu. Jun. 30, 2022 1:53 pm

ColdHouse wrote:
Thu. Jun. 30, 2022 7:46 am
Yes. It is a decent size house. Lower level/walkout basement needs dehumidifier all summer. Have had a swimming pool. One person is cold blooded and uses space heater in his bedroom. 3 Refrigerators. All lights have been changed to LED. I do not even have electric domestic hot water. All summer my oil boiler needs to fire to heat my indirect hot water tank. I am hoping to get the usage down because the kids are gone and I am taking out the pool. But want to add domestic electric hot water. I was thinking of getting a tankless hot water heater with a circulating pump and using that to heat my indirect hot water tank. Could probably put it on a timer. https://www.supplyhouse.com/Eemax-HA018240-HA0182 ... eater-18kW. Just brainstorming at this point.
I vote “no” on the electric tankless. They do not do well with cold ground water temperatures, and they really don’t like hard water. My in-laws have one and it has been nothing but a headache. I would look at a heat pump water heater. Not only will it use much less electric, it will dehumidify your basement.

My dad just had me rip out his indirect water heater and put in a 50 gallon electric unit. With our local prices I expect he will save at least $100 per month compared to heating oil.

 
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Post by ColdHouse » Thu. Jun. 30, 2022 2:42 pm

Rob R. wrote:
Thu. Jun. 30, 2022 1:53 pm
I vote “no” on the electric tankless. They do not do well with cold ground water temperatures, and they really don’t like hard water. My in-laws have one and it has been nothing but a headache. I would look at a heat pump water heater. Not only will it use much less electric, it will dehumidify your basement.

My dad just had me rip out his indirect water heater and put in a 50 gallon electric unit. With our local prices I expect he will save at least $100 per month compared to heating oil.
what do you think of this one? https://www.supplyhouse.com/AO-Smith-HPTU-50N-50- ... ter-Heater

 
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Post by Lightning » Thu. Jun. 30, 2022 2:45 pm

Heat pump DHW? I must live under a rock.. I want one of those.. but $1800 is a lot of coin. How much less electric does one use?

 
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Post by coalnewbie » Thu. Jun. 30, 2022 3:10 pm

Hmm, Lightning, you must on the lower site moderator pay scale. Get Richard to give you a pay raise

 
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Post by coalnewbie » Thu. Jun. 30, 2022 3:18 pm

How much less electric does one use?
The ROI is sometime in the 24th century

 
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Post by Rob R. » Thu. Jun. 30, 2022 3:27 pm

Lightning wrote:
Thu. Jun. 30, 2022 2:45 pm
Heat pump DHW? I must live under a rock.. I want one of those.. but $1800 is a lot of coin. How much less electric does one use?
Depends how much DHW you use and if you can operate it in heat pump mode most of the time, or if you need to use the resistance elements to keep up. The one in the link above says "Up to a 3.24 Energy Factor", which I assume is in heat pump mode only. That means it would only use 31% as much electricity as a traditional electric water heater. To make the math easy just put your local electric rate and 300% efficiency in the coalpail fuel comparison tool.
coalnewbie wrote:
Thu. Jun. 30, 2022 3:10 pm
Hmm, Lightning, you must on the lower site moderator pay scale. Get Richard to give you a pay raise
He is at the bottom of the seniority list. ;)
coalnewbie wrote:
Thu. Jun. 30, 2022 3:18 pm


The ROI is sometime in the 24th century
It all depends on what other options you have. If you live in CT with $6 heating oil and electric at $0.30 you could save roughly $100 per month in the non-heating season. The catch is that during the heating season the HPWH is actually adding to the heat load of the house. Not a big deal if there is a coal stove in the basement, but if not it would be chilly down there.

 
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Post by Lightning » Thu. Jun. 30, 2022 3:29 pm

coalnewbie wrote:
Thu. Jun. 30, 2022 3:10 pm
Hmm, Lightning, you must on the lower site moderator pay scale. Get Richard to give you a pay raise
coalnewbie wrote:
Thu. Jun. 30, 2022 3:18 pm
The ROI is sometime in the 24th century
:lol: yikes 😬 if I heat DHW with coal for 8-9 months then I guess the ROI would be 3 or 4 times longer...

 
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Post by Rob R. » Thu. Jun. 30, 2022 3:33 pm

Lightning wrote:
Thu. Jun. 30, 2022 3:29 pm
:lol: yikes 😬 if I heat DHW with coal for 8-9 months then I guess the ROI would be 3 or 4 times longer...
Yes, and you don't have CT electric rate anyway. Like I said, it depends what your options are.


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