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I know that 40 cu ft per ton is only a ballpark figure but my last load of nut was so far off from this that is has me wondering if my dealer is ripping me off. He never gives me a weight slip, only a receipt from him. My bin was completely empty so it was not hard to calculate the volume of delivered coal. 151.08 cu ft (3.02tons) was delivered by my calculations. It was supposed to be 5 tons. Could it possibly be off by that much?
Edit: I weighed a cu ft of this coal and it was 51 lbs. This still only comes to 3.85 tons.
Edit: I weighed a cu ft of this coal and it was 51 lbs. This still only comes to 3.85 tons.
Last edited by nut on Wed. Aug. 28, 2019 7:02 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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---I'm sorry!!! A ton would actually be 38. some nonsense cf. Even my rinky dink lil dealer out here in the middle of nowhere has calculated what his bucket holds when loading tonnage. I'd be having a serious talk if his calculations were that far off--REMEMBER, ya don't want to hurt his feelings. BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Have you been to the dealer's yard? Does he even have a scale? I've bought coal from a guy that used his loader bucket to "measure" the coal. It was a little light but cheap enough it wasn't worth complaining about.
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No, he is only a coal trucker. He picks it up at a yard a couple hours from here and delivers around the area. His price is a little cheaper than the going rate but not if he is short changing me . Then he is actually more expensive than going rate.
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If you can accurately measure and weigh one cubic foot, it should give you a better idea if the delivery is accurate.
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Not sure about other states but any bulk coal sale in the PA by law should include weight slip, if it's divided truck there needs to be slip for each division. It should be the original top copy printed or inked in pen. It should include the following information .
Estimates by volume are just that, estimates. Also note that the coal currently coming out Lehigh and Blaschak is very dense so that is another consideration. The only way to really tell is to weigh it and for that you need an accurate calibrated scale. Bathroom scales are notoriously inaccurate.....
- Full Address of the scale
- Date and Time of Weighing
- License plate number on the truck/trailer
- Seller: Dealers Name and Address Name
- Purchaser: Name and/or Address of the Final Customer
- Size of the Coal
- Weigtmasters Signature and License Number
- Tare Weight, Net Weight and Gross Weight
This is not going to work as expected especially with the nut, the problem is the sides of the box create a lot more more volume. e.g. if you filled 40 1 cubic boxes and dumped them into a 40 cubic box it's not going to fill the 40 cubic foot box.
Estimates by volume are just that, estimates. Also note that the coal currently coming out Lehigh and Blaschak is very dense so that is another consideration. The only way to really tell is to weigh it and for that you need an accurate calibrated scale. Bathroom scales are notoriously inaccurate.....
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Good points. I realize it is only an estimate but I would think it should be close. I weighed a 1 cu ft box of coal on a bathroom scale and it was 51 pounds. This calculates out to 3.85 tons. Not even close to 5 tons. I would need another 38 cu ft to equal 5 tons.
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Time to rattle his cage.
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Indeed C. N, you're just gonna get opinions, charts & speculation here. Ya need to get with your trucker.
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You need to do this 10 times with fresh coal each time. Add the weights together and divide by 10. There is a difference from bottom of pile to the top of pile.
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Something is off here.. A cubic ft of coal is gonna be heavier than 51 pounds.
A 5 gallon pail weighs 41 pounds which is .67 cubic ft.
Also a ton is closer to 33 cubic ft.
A 5 gallon pail weighs 41 pounds which is .67 cubic ft.
Also a ton is closer to 33 cubic ft.
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5 gallon plastic pails have somewhere around 5-2/3 gallon capacity when filled level to the top. That would place them at closer to ~0.7574 cu-ft if completely filled to the brim. If we consider the average pail to be ~96% filled, then we are at ~0.96 x ~0.7574 = ~0.727 cu-ft.
41/0.727 = ~56.4 Lbs./cu-ft
2000/56.4 = ~35.5 cu-ft per ton
A full/max truckload of ~45,000 Lbs. would require a truck/trailer with (at least) 30 cubic yard capacity.
41/0.727 = ~56.4 Lbs./cu-ft
2000/56.4 = ~35.5 cu-ft per ton
A full/max truckload of ~45,000 Lbs. would require a truck/trailer with (at least) 30 cubic yard capacity.
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about 23-24 ton in the average TT delivery...
26 ton and it is a bit over-weight...
at least on the trip to CC...
26 ton and it is a bit over-weight...
at least on the trip to CC...
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Is this nut size coal? Try it again with 61 pounds per cubic foot..
61 pounds × 151 cu ft = 9200 pounds
Try your measurement again and see if you can squeeze anymore volume out of your coal supply. I believe 61 pounds per cubic foot for nut size is accurate based on measurements I have done. Also, coal density does vary a smidgen.
61 pounds × 151 cu ft = 9200 pounds
Try your measurement again and see if you can squeeze anymore volume out of your coal supply. I believe 61 pounds per cubic foot for nut size is accurate based on measurements I have done. Also, coal density does vary a smidgen.