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Post Thu. Jun. 25, 2009 6:38 am

I thought this was a great idea, and apparently others did too last year. I'm finding this forum to be a bit difficult, as it's not separated by location. Can we please revive this topic?

In Skowhegan, might be able to talk the guy across the street who has a forklift and space for a truck into unloading a load for a Saturday pickup. How does one put something like this together? What would happen if someone backs out?

I'd be interested in bagged pea or nut, by the way.
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Post Thu. Jun. 25, 2009 10:14 am

the post is difficult to comprehend for the newbies

do a pre pay before so if theres a no show without contact then the portion thats not picked up gets equally split ??? :shock:
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Post Thu. Jun. 25, 2009 10:58 am

jimcooncat wrote: I'm finding this forum to be a bit difficult, as it's not separated by location. Can we please revive this topic?.
This particular forum is specifically for getting together a co-op so you posted it in the right place. I could create thousands of forums drilling down to towns if I wanted but the demand is not there. If I had numerous requests each day I might consider expanding it into states or regions but until then you can post them here.
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Post Fri. Jun. 26, 2009 4:42 am

Poconoeagle wrote:the post is difficult to comprehend for the newbies ...
Should I explain what a coop is? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cooperative
I think how it would is that a bunch of buyers pool money together to get a semi load delivered to a central location, then everyone brings their pickups and trailers and get their full pallets. 22 tons is the max load?

Some things I think we'd need: An escrow agent to hold the cash? A waiver everyone signs that we won't get sued if your trailer axle breaks (I have to sign one at a place I pick up wood pellets). A loading dock, heavy-duty forklift, and operator. Hamburgers. What else?

I expect lots of people would have to make two trips to the central point to pick up enough coal for the winter. That might make for a long day for the forklift operator. Any other things to consider?

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Post Fri. Jun. 26, 2009 9:32 am

the dash between the o's would have been a "easier-to-understand" title as opposed to another ole maine chicken coop....... or even , the less than lazy complete word cooporation....

might be tricky to accurately divide it out onto trailers or into pick-ups with out a scale ??? ;)
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Post Fri. Jun. 26, 2009 9:56 am

You can't do it as business legally but I don't see why you couldn't do it as private citizens. If you were getting bulk which is going to be considerably cheaper you can measure it by volume somewhat accurately if everyone filled their truck/trailer by the bucket full. That's a lot of work especially if you have a machine sitting there. It's going to be more than 50 buckets per ton.

Another way to do it would be by measuring the truck box or trailer to get the volume of it. Add up everyone's take then divide the total cost by the percentage of coal they took.

Some are going to be getting more or less inevitably but if you're saving $500.... a couple hundred pounds one way or the other...
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Post Mon. Jun. 29, 2009 6:31 am

Poconoeagle wrote: ...might be tricky to accurately divide it out onto trailers or into pick-ups with out a scale ??? ;)
This wouldn't be a problem with bagged coal. I agree, I wouldn't think bulk would lend itself to this kind of distribution.

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Post Mon. Jun. 29, 2009 6:37 am

Richard S. wrote:You can't do it as business legally but I don't see why you couldn't do it as private citizens. ...
Yes, a cooperative of private citizens is what I'm suggesting, saving money would be the goal here. But why wouldn't doing it as a business be legal? In Maine, fuel isn't taxable (yet), but it's easy enough to get registered for sales tax even if it were. Of course, there's a liability issue, but that doesn't make it illegal. Maybe some restriction on interstate commerce you know of?

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Post Tue. Jun. 30, 2009 7:52 pm

Weights and Measures...
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I stay at a Holiday Inn at least once a year!
Most of all I do have common sense and a practical application of logic.
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Post Sat. Jul. 18, 2009 3:23 am

I think most of the coal haulers can get 24 tons and still be legal on the axles,if you use a hauler/broker like Doublerun the trucking part is handled by them,nothing for you to worry about,coordinating delivery times to fit your schedule is the only bug. RichB

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Post Tue. Oct. 27, 2009 3:53 am

Well, Dysart's in Hermon (Bangor) is selling Reading coal for $299. They're easy to get to, and get some breakfast while you're there. I'd guess there wouldn't be much savings to a coop as long as this service stays reasonable.

Now if the railroad owners ever caught a clue, they could be doing this in their Waterville yard. What's up with that?

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Post Tue. Oct. 27, 2009 6:42 am

jimcooncat wrote:Dysart's in Hermon (Bangor) is selling Reading coal for $299. I'd guess there wouldn't be much savings to a coop as long as this service stays reasonable.
While Dysarts price is fair, a coop could easily save $35-$50 a ton. Also, if I were to buy a truckload, Reading wouldn't be my first choice. I have asked Dysarts if they will sell a few bags so I could try it. So far the answer is no, a ton, or nothing, but some manager is being approached with the idea. Maybe at Sat coffee I'll know if they will sell a few bags. I'm just a bit leery of buying a whole ton and maybe have it be not-so-good.
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Post Tue. Oct. 27, 2009 8:50 pm

Hey Jimcooncat, I got a tractor trailer load last year and after trucking and $80 bucks for my local lumber co. to deliver to my house, it was $300/ton. That is last year of course. Maybe you can save on trucking and maybe the price is down a bit. But you still have to handle it when it gets here. Of course you have to handle the stuff you get at Dysarts also. Mine was Kimmel's not Reading and the difference is debated hotly in here at times. ;) Look into it before you leap. I am not sure how I will go about it in a couple of years when I need more. :D

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Post Tue. Oct. 27, 2009 8:54 pm

My buddy & I just landed three pallets of Blaschak for $300 a ton. It came down from the county. Met the guy in Bangor across the street from Dysarts. They fork lifted it off for us, one right into my trailer. Tomorrow John will go get his. They even put it inside for overnight.
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Post Sun. Nov. 08, 2009 7:11 am

Good deal, Freddy! From the county? Someone must have overbought, I'd guess. The Reading coal is inconsistently sized compared to the bags of Kimmels we got from the stove's previous owner. The Harman Mark II doesn't seem to care, both brands burned great in it.

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